Lanzarote says it is fed up with having so many British tourists visiting the island - and wants FEWER UK holidaymakers!

I often had to organise extra volunteers to ensure safety, for them and for others. You have NO idea.

Not at all, au contraire. I have taken teenagers on trips in UK, walking, YHA, and abroad- that no-one but no-one wanted to take. I stuck my neck out, and with a few colleagues, took them away- when all others refused. For those teenagers, it made a massive difference, and I am very proud of having taken the risk, and put the effort in.

and I have taken some rough kids from challenged backgrounds in my time
I worked over 40 years with those children and their families. I find your description of the says a great deal about your patronising attitude to people who are less fortunate than you are.

I had no idea some people consider 'Brit' a derogatory term. I've often been asked if I am a Brit when I have been abroad, and quite proud to say I am, had no idea anyone was being rude.

Callistemon21

Urmstongran

If anyone says 'English' then there is an outcry. Brit is short, and simple. Nothing rude there.

Not quite Fleurpepper.
‘Brits abroad’ include the Welsh, Scots and NI too,
English are a separate entity of the Union.

Brits is quite offensive.

It's usually people from other countries who use it in a derogatory fashion.

Why on earth would they do that, as all those British tourist behave impeccably. Strange, no?

Swerving the argument above, on repeat it seems, I think the Spanish tourist people want to look at the hotels providin* cheap all inclusive holidays rather than make sweeping statements about the origin and type of tourist they want. It is the cheap offers driving the market. Put pressure on hotels to up standards and increase prices would help. We know of a couple that go to Lanza (as they call it), twice a year for three weeks each time, always all inclusive, where they lay on a sunbed and drink - lots. Perhaps that’s what they mean.

Ah, I understand. I was being a bit pedantic there and missing the ‘slight’.

I suppose we can all appreciate that once a place becomes popular (for whatever reason), tourists flock. Maybe over the seasons the places get spoilt. Lose their original character and locals become resentful. Understandably sometimes. It’s a hard act to balance because, especially at the beginning of the curve, tourist money is welcomed and very much appreciated. Like anything, there is probably a tipping point.

Lanzarote seems to have reached it and you could argue they are the victims of their own success.

I hope they can find a happy medium - that suits them and any visitors, going forward.

So what term would you use. Write out 'British citizens' every time. Nothing wrong with Brit afaiac.

I'm a Brit. No idea why you'd find it offensive.

Urmstongran

^If anyone says 'English' then there is an outcry. Brit is short, and simple. Nothing rude there.^

Not quite Fleurpepper.
‘Brits abroad’ include the Welsh, Scots and NI too,
English are a separate entity of the Union.

Brits is quite offensive.

It's usually people from other countries who use it in a derogatory fashion.

Indeedy- someone above said they did not like being called 'Brit'- so my post was in reply to that. No need to explain, thanks ;)

Callistemon, I think it is a combination of factors. Low Sterling value is one of many.

If anyone says 'English' then there is an outcry. Brit is short, and simple. Nothing rude there.

Not quite Fleurpepper.
‘Brits abroad’ include the Welsh, Scots and NI too,
English are a separate entity of the Union.

Iam64

Thank youV3ra 🌞. Your holiday experience reflects those of family and friends.
I’m perplexed Fleurpepper that despite your extensive experience of travelling, you always seem to end up surrounded by drunken ‘brits’ . Brits is usually used in a derogatory way, as it has throughout your many contributions here.

Anyone with even limited experience of travel in southern Europe knows which resorts are likely to be favoured by the cheaper end of the all inclusive gang. It’s not complicated. We usually book flights, find accommodation and had great holidays. Never fiubd ourselves in Malia (Crete) for example because we knew it wouldn’t suit us but others may love it

We went on a last minute holiday to Cyprus once, a cheapie, and were sent to just outside Ayia Napa 😲

It was lovely out of season. There was a Greek restaurant across the road.
There were a lot of Norwegians there, escaping the weather at home. I did get 'chatted up' by one when I went for a stroll 😀, he was on his own and wanted a dancing partner, but along came DH and scuppered that.

We went to Lanzarote just before the pandemic. We stayed in an adults only hotel in Playa Blanca on half board. We used to go out walking most days and sunbathed in the afternoon. As it was all adults I never saw any bad behaviour or similar in our hotel. Many guests were regular returners. We’d go back. I think it all depends on the resort and the hotel you choose. It’s fairly easy to avoid the ones that attract the raucous element.

Fleurpepper

Casdon

There’s anecdote, and there’s evidence.
yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2019/08/30/britons-make-worst-tourists-say-britons-and-spania
This is an international survey, so it carries some weight.

Actually though, what I think Lanzarote is saying is that it wants to move away from being a party island for tourists, Brits are by far the biggest majority who visit there, but they won’t want rowdy holidaymakers from anywhere. It’s not about discriminating against the average British holidaymaker. It’s no different to what’s happening in Madeira, or for that matter Fuerteventura. As usual though, it’s been pumped up by the media into being an outrage on British sensibilities, I don’t know why some people here fall for it every time.

Those so called generalisations do not come from no-where?

Backtracking? Not at all. Whether you like it or nor, it is about the value of currency, which makes some tourists more 'valuable' to resorts. Not about being rich, as individuals, but about Holiday Companies buying holidays en masse and selling them on in Sterling- which has lost hugely in value over last few years. That is a totally different story, but very real.

As said, the same applies to medicines, energy, raw materials, anything we need for production chains, etc.

So you think it is Brexit then?

Not the fact that British people aren't wanted?

Possibly ignoring me might be the way to go with that one?

No, I don't want to do that, I don't ignore people! I'm interested in what you say even if I dont agree.
And it wasn't aimed at you particularly.

It was just a thought that generalisations and stereotyping are not a good way of arguing your case.
By yours I don't mean yours.

Talking about kids teenagers, we have friends in France who own a campsite. They say by far the worst behaved youngsters are the Dutch because their parents don't care what their offspring get up to on the beach and round the site (well into the night). They are also the most boisterous and inconsiderate in the pool during the daytime.

We certainly have not- but we have had a few bad experiences which illustrated exactly what this thread is about.

If anyone says 'English' then there is an outcry. Brit is short, and simple. Nothing rude there.

Whenever we have been on holiday with our kids, and with the 100s of children I have taken on trips abroad- we always had a discussion about them being Ambassadors for England- and that the way they behaved would be what people remember- and that good, pleasant and polite behaviour could wipe away so much of the bad reputation of British people abroad- like the old Football Hooligan picture.

People use to compliment the kids, mine, but also our students, all the time- so polite and so smiley- used to be so proud of them. Very very few bad examples of bad behaviour on so many trips abroad- and I have taken some rough kids from very 'challenged' backgrounds in my time.

I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows what resorts cater for hens, stags and groups of party loving people.

Like Iam64 has posted if you go to a resort with a reputation of clubs and cheap booze you will encounter youngsters of all nationalities enjoying the facilities on offer.

Easily avoided that us unless you are someone who likes a good old moan…

Thank youV3ra 🌞. Your holiday experience reflects those of family and friends.
I’m perplexed Fleurpepper that despite your extensive experience of travelling, you always seem to end up surrounded by drunken ‘brits’ . Brits is usually used in a derogatory way, as it has throughout your many contributions here.

Anyone with even limited experience of travel in southern Europe knows which resorts are likely to be favoured by the cheaper end of the all inclusive gang. It’s not complicated. We usually book flights, find accommodation and had great holidays. Never fiubd ourselves in Malia (Crete) for example because we knew it wouldn’t suit us but others may love it

All inclusive hotels often don’t help the local economy much, if at all

D'you know I always thought that Urmstongran, and then last August we went to an all-inclusive hotel on Kos for two weeks through Tui. My daughter's choice for her birthday.

Virtually all the staff were Greek, and so friendly and welcoming.
There was a mix of nationalities among the guests, but I'd say predominantly British.
There was an enormous choice on the buffets of all kinds of local and international cuisines.
There was a lovely family atmosphere and no excesses of behaviour.

We caught the bus to the local town and ate at a local Greek restaurant twice: easily half the staff were English!

Overall I was really impressed and we all thoroughly enjoyed our holiday 😎

Casdon

There’s anecdote, and there’s evidence.
yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2019/08/30/britons-make-worst-tourists-say-britons-and-spania
This is an international survey, so it carries some weight.

Actually though, what I think Lanzarote is saying is that it wants to move away from being a party island for tourists, Brits are by far the biggest majority who visit there, but they won’t want rowdy holidaymakers from anywhere. It’s not about discriminating against the average British holidaymaker. It’s no different to what’s happening in Madeira, or for that matter Fuerteventura. As usual though, it’s been pumped up by the media into being an outrage on British sensibilities, I don’t know why some people here fall for it every time.

Those so called generalisations do not come from no-where?

Backtracking? Not at all. Whether you like it or nor, it is about the value of currency, which makes some tourists more 'valuable' to resorts. Not about being rich, as individuals, but about Holiday Companies buying holidays en masse and selling them on in Sterling- which has lost hugely in value over last few years. That is a totally different story, but very real.

As said, the same applies to medicines, energy, raw materials, anything we need for production chains, etc.

Callistemon21

GagaJo

Callistemon21

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Same attitude foreigners here face I suppose.

I don't understand these generalisations.

They're not thought through at all.

It's a chat forum. I'm not here to think deeply.

Apologies if it's not up to your standards. Possibly ignoring me might be the way to go with that one?

GagaJo

Callistemon21

Oh dear, it gets worse.

Not just British lager lotus, hen parties, staff parties but ex-pats now!

And - I really dislike being call A BRIT
Thank you.

Best stay home, folks.
Foreigners don't want us.

Same attitude foreigners here face I suppose.

I don't understand these generalisations.

They're not thought through at all.

NotSpaghetti

Casdon interesting that in the survey so many from the USA said they didn't know!
Quite puzzling to me.

I guess it could have been because so many Americans don’t leave the States at all NotSpaghetti, so they probably don’t have much exposure to people from other countries. Just a guess.