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British workers to be targeted by Australia

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maddyone Thu 16-Feb-23 22:57:40

It was reported in the Independent today that Australia is to try to recruit 31000 British workers, in particular medics, teachers, police officers, plumbers and builders. It is hardly surprising that Australia feels it can benefit from the situation in Britain by tempting workers with higher wages, whilst the British government feels it’s fine to allow the pay of British workers, in particular medics but others too, to fall far behind.
This country already has a dire shortage of doctors, and a labour shortage in many other areas too, and this recruitment drive will deprive this country of further medics and other workers when they are so badly needed here. We have had many threads on Gransnet over the last few years discussing the difficulty of getting an appointment with a GP and if this recruitment drive is successful, as it surely will be, we can clearly expect to wait even longer to see a GP as many more will leave and take their skills to pastures new. In fact waits for everything from a doctor’s appointment to getting a builder to do work will become longer and more difficult to obtain.
What is to be done? When will the government actually understand that the answer to Labour shortages is not to make people work till they drop (thus avoiding paying a pension until people are pushing seventy) but to pay a rate commensurate with the level of skill? We need a highly trained and skilled workforce but we are haemorrhaging highly skilled workers already, we cannot afford to lose another 31000.

silverlining48 Thu 16-Feb-23 23:34:47

I worked for a local authority which over many years regularly had recruitment drives in Australia and other countries. It was cheaper than training new entrants and they weren’t too bothered about draining other countries work force.
We joe public have to live with the consequences of ours being tempted to desert our country to start a.
new life in the sunshine ☀️

PamelaJ1 Fri 17-Feb-23 08:46:14

I can’t help feeling what’s sauce for the goose.
We use a lot of people from other countries to make up our workforce. Why shouldn’t it work the other way? That’s not to say I like it.
At one time we paid to train our medics ect. Noe we don’t. Do the graduates owe us anything?

MerylStreep Fri 17-Feb-23 08:55:31

I didn’t hear anyone complaining when we took workers from some of the poorest countries in Europe.

Casdon Fri 17-Feb-23 09:00:21

My sister is a nurse, and she emigrated to WA over 30 years ago. It’s a rich state, the hospitals are well funded and state of the art, and the lifestyle is great. I don’t blame people at all for opting to leave our grey and depressed shores at the moment to go to live and work out there. The only way to reduce the flow is to make the UK a more attractive place to be for public sector workers.

BlueBelle Fri 17-Feb-23 09:06:27

We still recruit nurses and carers from third world countries
We don’t think twice if we need workers, always have,
Look at the Irish that came to build our roads and the Polish plumbers, our dentists ( when we had any) came from all over the world and care homes wouldn’t exist without the Portuguese
No difference is there ?

Fleurpepper Fri 17-Feb-23 09:18:25

Whenever there is a shortage, be it medics, nurses, farm labourers, chemicals, medicines, oil ... absolutely anything

countries that offer better conditions, salaries, prospects - and in a currency that is valued and valuable will win.

MaizieD Fri 17-Feb-23 09:22:21

Not to mention Windrush, BlueBelle....

The question I'd ask is, If we start losing our trained NHS staff to better wages and conditions in Australia, would the government make any attempt to improve wages and conditions for the UK NHS workers? Or would it just be further encouragement for privatisation?

Though I'd be puzzled to know where a privatised NHS would get its workers from if many have decamped to Australia...

GagaJo Fri 17-Feb-23 09:25:37

I taught overseas for 6 years in 3 different countries. Working conditions were better in all of them. Wages were higher too (other than Spain, where teachers pay is dismal).

If we allow the government to drive down pay and make working conditions terrible (and try to prevent protests and strikes), we have to accept the consequences. The natural effect of a Tory government with Brexit on top.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Feb-23 09:41:43

Other Countries have always targeted U.K. workers just as the U.K. has always had recruitment drives abroad, nothing new.

PamelaJ1 Fri 17-Feb-23 09:46:00

I am sitting watching the ABC NEWS from Sydney. Seems that our problems are their problems.

Casdon Fri 17-Feb-23 09:49:58

MaizieD

Not to mention Windrush, BlueBelle....

The question I'd ask is, If we start losing our trained NHS staff to better wages and conditions in Australia, would the government make any attempt to improve wages and conditions for the UK NHS workers? Or would it just be further encouragement for privatisation?

Though I'd be puzzled to know where a privatised NHS would get its workers from if many have decamped to Australia...

The thing is MaizieD, it’s not a case of us start losing staff to Australia, as the health system in Australia has for many years attracted thousands of UK staff. My daughter had a nasty injury and had to go to A&E last time we were there, and with the exception of one, all the nurses and doctors who treated her were originally from the UK - and conversely there are quite a lot of Aussies in the UK health system too, though probably less than there used to be.
I’m not sure however hard we try the UK will stop some people going, the pay is excellent, the weather is better, and the lifestyle is good (in WA anyway, I don’t know about the rest of Australia), so it’s an attractive option. What we can do is raise wages and improve the state of, and equipment in our hospitals so people don’t have to fight the system all the time for pathetic reward. That will keep some, and attract people from other countries.

karmalady Fri 17-Feb-23 09:50:45

Grass is greener for some, only it is not green, it is brown and parched. My sisters always live in fear of bushfires, one has had to flee at the last minute, twice and she has moved 7 times since being in aus. They miss our green and lovely uk and the historic places and buildings but now they are trapped as their families are australian born and bred

Casdon Fri 17-Feb-23 09:57:58

karmalady

Grass is greener for some, only it is not green, it is brown and parched. My sisters always live in fear of bushfires, one has had to flee at the last minute, twice and she has moved 7 times since being in aus. They miss our green and lovely uk and the historic places and buildings but now they are trapped as their families are australian born and bred

Gosh karmalady my sister and her husband don’t feel the same at all. They love the sea, they love the weather, and the sea water is desalinated so they can maintain green parks and gardens. They get good leave, plus long service paid holidays from work, so are able to come to the UK for a protracted holiday every few years, or every year if they wanted to. Everybody is different though, and no doubt some families return to the UK for the reasons you state - but very many don’t, and not because they are trapped - it’s like a state of the UK in Perth, there are so many Brits there.

Katie59 Fri 17-Feb-23 09:59:23

There is no doubt that if you are young and have a skill the opportunities and lifestyle in Australia are very attractive. BUT politics is very volatile and the economy is dependant on China who own most of the important industries, so in the long term maybe not a rosy as it was.
I have a cousin living in Brisbane, ( above the flood line now) she migrated in the 1980s and has had a tough time but has stayed because “ if you're broke and miserable at least you’re warm”.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 17-Feb-23 10:03:24

We have family in Victoria and friends in Perth.

The wages might be higher however, their prices are rising including property.

The thing that always struck me on our many visits has been shopping for shoes and clothes (childrens and adults) there are cheap and cheerful then a big jump to expensive there is not really a mid range High St as we are used to in the U.K.

Glorianny Fri 17-Feb-23 10:03:41

There used to be a sort of exchange system in both medicine and teaching where young people from Australia came here to work for a short time and our young people went to Australia. For medicine it also increased training and experiences for both parties. I would imagine the state of both professions now has put Australians off coming here

Fleurpepper Fri 17-Feb-23 10:03:58

karmalady

Grass is greener for some, only it is not green, it is brown and parched. My sisters always live in fear of bushfires, one has had to flee at the last minute, twice and she has moved 7 times since being in aus. They miss our green and lovely uk and the historic places and buildings but now they are trapped as their families are australian born and bred

And a very long way away too. There are plenty of other countries much nearer, and with great climate, who will be very happy to recruit staff, especially medics, nurses, IT- with higher salaries than OZ or NZ- and much nearer. Plenty of opportunities in Europe, if someone is prepared to learn the local language. Sadly the UK's current education system means that learning a foreign language beyond 14, and especially byond 16, is very rare, especially for those who specialise in sciences, like medics. But this can be overcome with a 6 months residential and a bit of hard work.

Casdon Fri 17-Feb-23 10:11:41

I think one thing that’s changed recently is that Australia no longer seems a very long way away. A non stop flight from Perth now takes 18 hours, so if there’s a crisis which requires people to travel, they can get across the world in a day. I’m not trying to sell it, but it’s undoubtedly still an attractive option for young families. In fact if I was a young nurse or doctor now, I’d go for it myself.

maddyone Fri 17-Feb-23 10:14:37

I think that the working conditions in the NHS and schools, probably police too, which are three areas being targeted, have been allowed to fall so much so that the attractions of better working conditions alongside better or similar pay, is bound to attract our highly trained workforce abroad. Remember, these people are being targeted, they are not simply making the decision alone, although some do. Our government sticks rigidly to it’s policy and has done so for over ten years, and it’s policy is to ensure that public pay does not rise. As long as this is the policy, highly trained people will defect abroad, especially when openly targeted by another government which prefers to poach staff rather than train its own.

maddyone Fri 17-Feb-23 10:18:15

However, I do hope that those posters who enthusiastically support this Australian policy will not be appearing on yet another thread shortly complaining about how they can’t get an appointment with their GP for the next three or four weeks. Actions have consequences and more doctors leaving means fewer doctors here, which means longer to wait for an appointment.

Katie59 Fri 17-Feb-23 10:22:32

“especially when openly targeted by another government which prefers to poach staff rather than train its own.”

Young Aussies are very lifestyle oriented and give a low priority to skills and work ethic,

Callistemon21 Fri 17-Feb-23 10:28:10

MerylStreep

I didn’t hear anyone complaining when we took workers from some of the poorest countries in Europe.

And medical staff from India, the Phillipines and other countries where they are desperately needed.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00233-1/fulltext

maddyone Fri 17-Feb-23 10:28:48

That’s interesting Katie. So you’re saying young Aussies are not interested in work, education, job satisfaction etc?
That’s pretty shallow in my opinion. I chose my job because I believed I would enjoy it.

Callistemon21 Fri 17-Feb-23 10:31:18

karmalady

Grass is greener for some, only it is not green, it is brown and parched. My sisters always live in fear of bushfires, one has had to flee at the last minute, twice and she has moved 7 times since being in aus. They miss our green and lovely uk and the historic places and buildings but now they are trapped as their families are australian born and bred

The grass is often greener, karmalady but the reality is often different.