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Camilla’s grandchildren to star in King’s blended family coronation

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lemsip Sun 26-Feb-23 09:19:31

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/camilla-grandchildren-coronation-king-charles-parker-bowles-family-role-2023-5w5wdsdpt.
Camilla has reportedly indicated she wants her five grandchildren (three are pictured left); Lola and Eliza, both 15, Freddy, 13, and twins Louis and Gus, also 13, to hold the canopy over her as she is anointed with holy oil on May 6.

MawtheMerrier Sun 26-Feb-23 19:01:28

Why not just post the link Fleurpepper ?

www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-funeral-britain-windsor/

Norah Sun 26-Feb-23 18:58:37

GrannyGravy13 I had three step-mothers

Didn’t live with any of them, they were however my step-mothers.

They treated my children as they did their own, I treat my step-siblings as I do my sister. In fact the word step regarding relationships is not one used within our family. I also find the word step unacceptable in a family.

The wicked step-parent trope is rather outdated in the 21st century. Indeed.

King Charles seems to be making a kind thoughtful choice.

Well done him being inclusive!

lemsip Sun 26-Feb-23 18:51:03

MaizieD so the title of the thread 'gets' you!

Copied and pasted from The Times . check it out!

Yammy Sun 26-Feb-23 18:50:17

I don't think royal pageantry was invented by Queen Victoria or the Edwardians. How about the Tudors and the Plantagenants? They all had great pageants with pomp and ceremony.
Camilla who was introduced to us as to be Queen consort and not crowned with Charles, The Book someone mentioned way up post said they thought she had a master plan. wanting her grandchildren is just par for the course when the country is on its knees with strikes and inflated prices. She'll be getting them titles next.

MaizieD Sun 26-Feb-23 18:33:06

I rather think that the Prince Regent went for a pageantry filled coronation, Fleurpepperbecause he was a big showoff grin

MaizieD Sun 26-Feb-23 18:30:39

I'm not sure why where Camilla's children live is being hotly debated here. The ceremony is including her grandchildren, who rarely live with grandparents. So what is the problem?

The very title of this thread has me hmm every time I see it. They don't have a 'starring role, they're going to hold a canopy, FGS.

Coronations have been made up affairs for centuries. There's no crime against tradition being perpetrated here.

Fleurpepper Sun 26-Feb-23 18:29:19

Yammy

Anniebach

Yammy the step children of Charles and all men are fathered by another man . Surely you didn’t think posters didn’t know this so why refer to these step children as you did ?

Because I wanted to. Who is wagging the tail of the King Charles Spaniel? Who is changing British customs that have gone on for centuries?
All well and good if it is a nod to the future and cutting back on ceremony and saving money, but is it?

Thing is, it just does not go back 'Centuries'- it is all very modern:

'it wasn’t always this way.

Media coverage of the ceremonies following the queen’s death has frequently referenced Britain’s ceremonial genius and how steeped the pageantry is in ancient tradition, with virtually unchanging rituals from the country’s glorious past, giving the impression of continuity reaching back beyond the mists of time. Yet, much of this history is invented — and depends on how you define “ancient” — more a way to bolster an irrelevant institution.

For much of Britain’s modern history, in the 18th and 19th centuries, the country’s royal funerals and coronations weren’t a patch on what could be seen in the German states or Russia. Instead, they were often chaotic and shabby ceremonies, drawing disdain from a hostile press and spurned by the common man. It was the funerals of military heroes — Duke of Wellington and Horatio Nelson — that drew the crowds and riveted national attention.

Many of the ceremonies we are seeing now only date back to the end of the 19th century when a reluctant Queen Victoria was eventually persuaded by her Prime Minister William Gladstone of the importance of pageantry, and for her to be out in public more, to see off rising republican sentiment. She planned her 1901 state funeral carefully, wanting full military honors, but rejecting a lying-in-state open to the public.

It was the promotional-minded House of Windsor that introduced much more pomp and public ceremony, starting with Edward VI. The late queen and her father further boosting the pageantry.

Before that, British royal ceremony was notoriously inept. '

Fleurpepper Sun 26-Feb-23 18:22:15

Pageantry as we know it is a very recent phenomenon- Edwardian.

The craze for historical pageants began after a 1905 pageant in the small town of Sherborne, Dorset, when pageant-master Louis Napoleon Parker recruited 800 local people for a performance watched by 30,000.¹ Before the First World War pageants regularly took place in small southern towns. They usually consisted of a chronological series of distinct episodes that began with the Roman occupation of Britain, depicted Queen Elizabeth I and a romanticised ‘Merrie England’, and ended before the eighteenth century. During the interwar period, however, historical pageants gained increasing popularity in industrial towns and cities and were used to commemorate industries, organisations...

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Feb-23 18:21:37

Fleurpepper I am pleased that the Coronation appears to be more low key and family orientated, it’s a good thing 👍🏻

Fleurpepper Sun 26-Feb-23 18:11:19

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

ixion

Will they all be the same height, or might it be a wonky canopy?

the wonkier the better, I say. who cares?

Royalists

Those with an interest in British History

Those who enjoy British Pageantry

But things evolve. Good to get the family human touch, that will indicate to other reconstructed families that it is more than OK. And do absolutely no harm to either of the 3 groups yu mention.

Yammy Sun 26-Feb-23 18:08:14

Anniebach

Yammy the step children of Charles and all men are fathered by another man . Surely you didn’t think posters didn’t know this so why refer to these step children as you did ?

Because I wanted to. Who is wagging the tail of the King Charles Spaniel? Who is changing British customs that have gone on for centuries?
All well and good if it is a nod to the future and cutting back on ceremony and saving money, but is it?

Anniebach Sun 26-Feb-23 17:58:06

Yammy the step children of Charles and all men are fathered by another man . Surely you didn’t think posters didn’t know this so why refer to these step children as you did ?

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Feb-23 17:54:27

Exactly DaisyAnne

DaisyAnne Sun 26-Feb-23 17:46:56

GrannyGravy13

Chardy

kittylester

We have step grandchildren and some of our grandchildren have a step father. That stepfather is worth a King's ransom more that the natural father and the step grandchildren are, to all intents and purposes, our grandchildren because our son sees them as his own and they go to him when they need a grown up - not their natural father.

In fact our son was most put out when his mother in law thanked him for looking after the boys as if they were his own. In his eyes, they are.

With you, kittylester.

But you are talking about youngsters living with a stepfather. Camilla's kids are in their 40s. (And one of them doesn't live with his own children?)

I had three step-mothers

Didn’t live with any of them, they were however my step-mothers.

They treated my children as they did their own, I treat my step-siblings as I do my sister. In fact the word step regarding relationships is not one used within our family.

The wicked step-parent trope is rather outdated in the 21st century.

However these children and grandchildren relate biologically, they are still "family".

TerriBull Sun 26-Feb-23 17:44:04

I've been a wicked step mum for yonks, plus so much more, I had this title conferred on me which I've gratefully accepted, step grand ma ma and even better, step mother in law!

My sons never used the "half" when referring to their older siblings, although one did baulk aged three when he was told he was going to be an uncle he literally screamed, quite red faced at the time "I DON'T WANT TO BE!" my six year old, in a more controlled manner simply said "no! sorry I'm not ready for that"

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Feb-23 17:32:40

Chardy

kittylester

We have step grandchildren and some of our grandchildren have a step father. That stepfather is worth a King's ransom more that the natural father and the step grandchildren are, to all intents and purposes, our grandchildren because our son sees them as his own and they go to him when they need a grown up - not their natural father.

In fact our son was most put out when his mother in law thanked him for looking after the boys as if they were his own. In his eyes, they are.

With you, kittylester.

But you are talking about youngsters living with a stepfather. Camilla's kids are in their 40s. (And one of them doesn't live with his own children?)

I had three step-mothers

Didn’t live with any of them, they were however my step-mothers.

They treated my children as they did their own, I treat my step-siblings as I do my sister. In fact the word step regarding relationships is not one used within our family.

The wicked step-parent trope is rather outdated in the 21st century.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Feb-23 17:29:07

Fleurpepper

ixion

Will they all be the same height, or might it be a wonky canopy?

the wonkier the better, I say. who cares?

Royalists

Those with an interest in British History

Those who enjoy British Pageantry

Chardy Sun 26-Feb-23 17:28:16

kittylester

We have step grandchildren and some of our grandchildren have a step father. That stepfather is worth a King's ransom more that the natural father and the step grandchildren are, to all intents and purposes, our grandchildren because our son sees them as his own and they go to him when they need a grown up - not their natural father.

In fact our son was most put out when his mother in law thanked him for looking after the boys as if they were his own. In his eyes, they are.

With you, kittylester.

But you are talking about youngsters living with a stepfather. Camilla's kids are in their 40s. (And one of them doesn't live with his own children?)

Fleurpepper Sun 26-Feb-23 17:23:38

ixion

Will they all be the same height, or might it be a wonky canopy?

the wonkier the better, I say. who cares?

Fleurpepper Sun 26-Feb-23 17:15:23

Who cares? If Charles doesn't, why should any of us!

Yammy Sun 26-Feb-23 17:07:06

Anniebach

Yammy you spoke of the children not as his step children but
the children of another man.

Fact

Biologically Camilla's children are the children of another man Andrew parker Bowles or have you got inner knowledge of something that the rest of us don't?

GrannyGravy13 Sun 26-Feb-23 17:00:31

Ditto in our family kittylester

Norah Sun 26-Feb-23 16:39:41

kittylester

We have step grandchildren and some of our grandchildren have a step father. That stepfather is worth a King's ransom more that the natural father and the step grandchildren are, to all intents and purposes, our grandchildren because our son sees them as his own and they go to him when they need a grown up - not their natural father.

In fact our son was most put out when his mother in law thanked him for looking after the boys as if they were his own. In his eyes, they are.

Perfect, as it should be, to my way of thinking.

ParlorGames Sun 26-Feb-23 16:36:16

That's lovely kittylester.

kittylester Sun 26-Feb-23 16:34:17

We have step grandchildren and some of our grandchildren have a step father. That stepfather is worth a King's ransom more that the natural father and the step grandchildren are, to all intents and purposes, our grandchildren because our son sees them as his own and they go to him when they need a grown up - not their natural father.

In fact our son was most put out when his mother in law thanked him for looking after the boys as if they were his own. In his eyes, they are.