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So letting in a bit of reality - does this mean it is the beginning of the end of Brexit

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-Feb-23 11:17:04

So Sunak has said this morning that NI is the best placed country in the world because it has access to the EU single market and the U.K. market.

So what now? Sunak has said out loud that membership is the best thing for NI. What is stopping Scotland demanding the same? What about us in England. I’d quite like what NI has.

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 19:34:52

Kandinsky

Nothing wrong in being disappointed with the result, but lots wrong with calling leave voters ‘thick racists’ ( & worse )

So yes, you lost - get over it. I mean come on, it’s been 7 years since the referendum & the same old stuff is still being said.

Depends if they are. Some are, some are not. Some are one, and not the other.

varian Thu 02-Mar-23 19:29:45

The same old stuff has now been proven to be correct.

Brexit is an utter disaster- the worst thing that has happened to our country in my lifetime.

If you were partly responsible you should wake up to the evidence and hang your head in shame.

Dickens Thu 02-Mar-23 19:27:25

HousePlantQueen

varian

I have never heard any gloating about being right.

Only sadness and sometimes anger about what we have lost by the power of lies.

Well, I read lots of gloating about being right on GN, plenty of posters telling those of us disappointed at the result that:

we lost, get over it
if we liked EU so much, why didn't we move there
we were traitors
it was all going to be wonderful

It was not pleasant.

... "traitors".

That angered me more than any other abuse or insult.

If you believe your county is better off, better placed on the world stage - more respected, by being a member of the EU, how can you possibly be a traitor? It's not even logical.

The treachery lays fair and square on those high-profile politicians and others who conducted a campaign of lies and deliberate misinformation, and manipulated the genuine fears and worries of those that they themselves have disenfranchised through their greed and megalomania, and their total lack of integrity.

Kandinsky Thu 02-Mar-23 19:26:27

Nothing wrong in being disappointed with the result, but lots wrong with calling leave voters ‘thick racists’ ( & worse )

So yes, you lost - get over it. I mean come on, it’s been 7 years since the referendum & the same old stuff is still being said.

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 19:06:48

varian

54% of people in the UK now think brexit was a mistake.

What is wrong with the other 46%?

Only half of them or even less now (circa 23%) still support Brexit.

HousePlantQueen Thu 02-Mar-23 18:59:00

varian

I have never heard any gloating about being right.

Only sadness and sometimes anger about what we have lost by the power of lies.

Well, I read lots of gloating about being right on GN, plenty of posters telling those of us disappointed at the result that:

we lost, get over it
if we liked EU so much, why didn't we move there
we were traitors
it was all going to be wonderful

It was not pleasant.

dragonfly46 Thu 02-Mar-23 18:47:50

Our only friends who voted leave told us that they did it because they are wealthy and they have no children so don’t care what happens to the country when they are gone! And it will keep the bxxxxy foreigners out!
Needless to say I find it hard to still be their friend.

varian Thu 02-Mar-23 18:42:35

54% of people in the UK now think brexit was a mistake.

What is wrong with the other 46%?

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 18:39:09

Remainers have been insulted in the worst possible way, and suffered from gloaters on speed, and worse.

varian Thu 02-Mar-23 18:17:45

I have never heard any gloating about being right.

Only sadness and sometimes anger about what we have lost by the power of lies.

Katie59 Thu 02-Mar-23 17:43:52

Fleurpepper

No-one knew what Brexit would be- NO-ONE. Many forms of Brexit could have been chosen, to protect our place in Single Market, for instance. As many had promised at the time.

And remember that the Electoral Commission found so many faults with the campaign and the Vote, that had it been 'for real' instead of advisory- they would have cancelled it as fraudulent.

I was pretty sure by the following logic

When a partnership breaks up both parties go their separate ways.
When you leave a club you don’t expect better terms as a non member
After 40 yrs of membership many laws have to be changed.
The leave campaign was lies from start to finish, because they were ignoring business advisors.

I don’t gloat about being right, I’m just so disappointed.

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 16:20:55

Betty was wise. 50 years?!?

www.facebook.com/groups/campaigntorejointheeu/permalink/1373070329902893/

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 16:01:39

No-one knew what Brexit would be- NO-ONE. Many forms of Brexit could have been chosen, to protect our place in Single Market, for instance. As many had promised at the time.

And remember that the Electoral Commission found so many faults with the campaign and the Vote, that had it been 'for real' instead of advisory- they would have cancelled it as fraudulent.

Eloethan Thu 02-Mar-23 14:47:42

Hopefully.

M0nica Thu 02-Mar-23 14:29:58

The vote on Brexit was very close to 50/50. So when people speak of 'The people voted' or 'The country voted' that is far from the truth. And around 8 million didn't vote at all.

If the referendum had happened a few days earlier or later the result could have been differently.

I accepted the results of the referendum as soon as they were announced, even if it was not the result I wanted.

Zoe and her ilk could do with showing a little humility and realise that any changes should be based on what the majority of people want and if on balance that is a Brexit that is closer than she would prefer, well she should accept it.

It is strange how brexit has revealed what inherent bullies many people on both sides of the fence are, and how many of them are on GN.

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 14:17:51

Zoe65

Really .i have no friend who would vote remain or did vote that way.you clearly mix in strange circles .

'Strange circles' are those who are in a very clear and small minority now.

How old will you be in 50 years time?

Your ACs?

Your GCs?

And you do realise of course that fruit and veg is just a blip. When checks for imports will be finally implemented by UK later this year- there will be a lot more shortages. And 'turnips' will just not be able to replace them!

Are you prepared to go with life-saving medicines? What about your family?

Are you prepared to see even more water pollution, and shortages of drinking water, because we can't access purification chemicals.

More industries and businesses closing as supply chains will break-down even more significantly than now.

You seem to have NO idea of the consequences.

Dinahmo Thu 02-Mar-23 13:56:22

Zoe65 That's strange - about your friends. All of my friends are Remainers and several of them listen to James O'Brien. O'Brien's listeners have increased over the past year or so.

Dinahmo Thu 02-Mar-23 13:53:14

So, the weather in Spain and Morocco is responsible for the lack of fresh fruit and veg in the UK and, according to some sources, also in Europe.

Last week I went to my local Grand Frais in Perigueux. The counters and shelves were groaning with fresh fruit and veg and also meat and fish. Several varieties of apples and tomatoes. Also several varieties of citrus fruits including oranges amère and cedrat for making marmalade. These last two came from Spain and Italy - no problem caused by cold weather or snow.

I wished that I had a camera with me so that I could photo the shelves and post on here. But then I thought that would be rubbing salt into an open wound.

HousePlantQueen Thu 02-Mar-23 13:51:48

Zoe65, while you are of course entitled to your views, please stop using 'most people' and 'left wing idiot'. Can I point out that Brexiteer doesn't = right wing, and Remainer doesn't =left wing, there are many Tory MPs who are not supporters of Brexit.

While you ponder this, put your mind to producing a list of benefits of leaving, this left wing idiot is intrigued, because she can't see any.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Mar-23 13:40:50

Zoe65

You are not stuck with brexit.it was voted for and many many of us still support it and no we don’t want closer union either Thankyou .

Oh dear, I feel that you are going to be disappointed.

Zoe65 Thu 02-Mar-23 13:39:47

Really .i have no friend who would vote remain or did vote that way.you clearly mix in strange circles .

Zoe65 Thu 02-Mar-23 13:38:01

Most people can’t stand Obrien .extreme left wing idiot .everyone I know switched him off after nick Ferrari s programme.

Zoe65 Thu 02-Mar-23 13:34:22

You are not stuck with brexit.it was voted for and many many of us still support it and no we don’t want closer union either Thankyou .

Fleurpepper Thu 02-Mar-23 12:46:47

How many of us will be alive in 50 years, I wonder???

Even my GCs will be well into their 60s!!! And my ACs probably gone- 100 and 98!

MayBee70 Thu 02-Mar-23 12:37:01

But Dickens, Rees Mogg said the benefits might take 50 years didn’t he. If only that had been written I the side of the bus
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