Drag Act and Bondage Act for a babies and toddlers to enjoy?

I like a drink but when I’m looking after my DGS I don’t touch alcohol. I think my DD would be unhappy if I did. What if an emergency situation developed and my mind was a bit fuzzy?
Just not an option I don’t think.
Apart from the alcohol I can’t imagine why anyone would want to go to a show like this with a baby.
I haven’t watched the footage, surely one man’s bits are similar to another’s?
If I’d recently gone through childbirth the last thing that could tittilate my senses would be what I’m imagining.

If I had young children I wouldn’t take them to such an event. But I don’t, and neither do I have grandchildren yet.

ExperiencedNotOld I'm sorry but in this discussion you are defending the indefensible.

‘You are too old to understand’ is such a lame argument anyway. The only people I have ever known who think the same as others of their generation because they care about doing so are teenagers - the adults all think for themselves. Yes, there are fashionable trends that can lead to groupthink, but again, usually only by the immature.

As we’ve seen a million times on GN, there are few childcare topics on which posters agree. That this one seems to have a consensus says something about how unsupportable the idea of taking babies to a ‘daytime night out’ involving S&M and booze has to be, if that weren’t already blindingly obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse.

I find this all so depressing, much as I do when Gogglebox suddenly stops being entertaining and exposes us to some God awful sex show that even the regulars on there seem to cringe away from.

So I was heartened by my foray into Mumsnet tonight, and by a thread about this show where the vast majority of posters roundly condemned it. The 11% that had voted in favour of it were described by one poster as people who were so very keen to be open minded that their brains had fallen out.

And as one poster said, what sort of person actively wants to cavort around in full bondage gear in front of babies?

With regard to the rest of the proposed afternoon entertainment, you are entitled to your opinions. Those of us whose thoughts about care of children and understanding safeguarding needs, who don’t share your views, are equally entitled to ours.

Thank goodness, I was beginning to wonder if I was entitled to an opinion, having been castigated roundly for stating that this is not something I would have done.

I’m not mentioning names, she would probably get me deleted again . . .

But I would like to be able to discuss things, not be shouted down by the same old few. I note too that those few resort to snide sarcasm when without a point to fling. Tsk….
This is so funny! In 2 sentences and a Tsk the poster sums up exactly how I feel, right down to the ‘same old few’ doing the shouting down.
I can guarantee that whenever there’s a sensible discussion going on, anyone who doesn’t agree, claims they’re being ganged up on, or shouted down, or that those they disagree with make snide comments.
The others just carry on with the discussion.

Re the original post. Anyone who is not old enough or experienced enough to understand that encouraging drinking whilst in charge of a baby, or who thinks it won’t harm a baby to be subject to the noise levels in a cabaret or dance hall . . .
Tsk, tsk.
You can be as young as one of my DGD, or as old as Methuselah and already know about the damage noise can do to hearing, or could explain to those who don’t know, about the dangers caused by encouraging drinking whilst in charge of a car, a baby or anything else that can be damaged or cause damage to others.

With regard to the rest of the proposed afternoon entertainment, you are entitled to your opinions. Those of us whose thoughts about care of children and understanding safeguarding needs, who don’t share your views, are equally entitled to ours.

Callistemon21

Babies may not understand the meaning of what they are watching but their brains are developing at a fast rate, pathways are being formed more rapidly than at any other time in their development.

... exactly.

Babies may not understand the meaning of what they are watching but their brains are developing at a fast rate, pathways are being formed more rapidly than at any other time in their development.

Well said.

Galaxy

I think a few of us with considerable experience of safeguarding are trying to have a discussion. It's not really about being right it's about the safeguards that are in place to protect children. As I have mentioned a defense such as 'they dont understand' is not acceptable and should be challenged at every stage because of the wider implications it may have.

Exactly 👍

I think a few of us with considerable experience of safeguarding are trying to have a discussion. It's not really about being right it's about the safeguards that are in place to protect children. As I have mentioned a defense such as 'they dont understand' is not acceptable and should be challenged at every stage because of the wider implications it may have.

VioletSky

Hello

Just to say I won't be addressing any further comments, people can think of me what they wish, its been interesting but I won't be answering

You forgot to add ’till the next time 😂

So… we know who is always right, every time, on every subject because they devote their life to insisting their right is right. No consideration of any potential motivating factors, no acceptance that times and outlook change, no rationale discussion - because they’re RIGHT!
To repeat. If I had young children I wouldn’t take them to such an event. But I don’t, and neither do I have grandchildren yet.
But I would like to be able to discuss things, not be shouted down by the same old few. I note too that those few resort to snide sarcasm when without a point to fling. Tsk….

I gave her a good get-out at nearly the beginning, I said her words were probably to aggravate other grans and she did not really believe what she was posting.
Turns out I wouldn't get a job with the police or a psychologist I certainly did not read that right.
She just dug herself deeper by stating what she really thought.

Shame.

ixion

^interpretive dance^ VS?
What exactly are they interpreting?

VioletSky has left the building, ixion

Doodledog

Interpretive dance 😂

I've heard everything now. When the 'dance' is interpreting sad-masochistic sex, I'd say that yes, it is the parents' responsibility, and that a responsible parent would shield their babies and toddlers from it.

As far as I'm concerned they can have a night out to a Burlesque club or whatever floats their boat - no judgement from me there, but an environment based on sex and alcohol is not, IMO, one that is suitable for children, so they should get babysitters and go in the evening.

Spot on.

I'm no prude but my moral compass is in place and working, I hope.

interpretive dance VS?
What exactly are they interpreting?

What a good idea VS. Have a restful evening.

I felt alcohol consumption and night out mentality 'in the day' were more of an issue in all honesty but they will be middle class women so it wont even matter to SS or anyone.

Mums of young children are still are not making their men folk take on responsibility are they?

Interpretive dance 😂

I've heard everything now. When the 'dance' is interpreting sad-masochistic sex, I'd say that yes, it is the parents' responsibility, and that a responsible parent would shield their babies and toddlers from it.

As far as I'm concerned they can have a night out to a Burlesque club or whatever floats their boat - no judgement from me there, but an environment based on sex and alcohol is not, IMO, one that is suitable for children, so they should get babysitters and go in the evening.

I think this entertainment is totally unsuitable for any child, even if you think a child under two won't 'get' it. I'd be interested if those that see no harm in it would clarify if there's an age of child they'd not want to be seeing it. Or do they think it's suitable for all ages?

Hello

Just to say I won't be addressing any further comments, people can think of me what they wish, its been interesting but I won't be answering

Dickens

Well, that's a pretty neat way of avoiding any constructive debate on the issue.
It’s not neat, it’s pathetic and not unexpected from someone who would never say anything about it to anyone.

VioletSky

Dickens

My comment came before others and I was referring to the article as a silly fuss.

I don't think any babies will be harmed by what is basically some sort of interpretive dance and I think it's the parents responsibility and not my place to judge them, so I don't.

OK, so questioning this show is judgemental on the parents, based on the premise that it's their responsibility?

Well, that's a pretty neat way of avoiding any constructive debate on the issue.