New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

we cannot afford so many people without any means of supporting themselves!

They are not allowed to support themselves until their status has been recognised

If the Home Off ice was fit for purpose and dealt with them efficiently we wouldn't have to support them for long. They'd either be deported or free to seek work.

Maudi

Stop the Boats and Get The Votes

I personally think that if Sunak and Suella Braverman's plan actually works the Red Wall voters will vote Conservative again.

I do too Maudi which, cynically, I think is the reason for much of the howling on the Opposition benches this lunchtime.

A safe, clean basic detention. What a good idea. Staffed with a doctor, a dentist and a nurse. Military bases re-purposed. Hotel, unsecure and (very) expensive accommodation cannot go on infinitum.

I don’t think I’m hard of thinking WhiteWave. This will be a deterrent. Once word gets round, people will stop paying the awful human traffickers as their modus operandi will be bust. People don’t pay extortionate fees for a flaky outcome. They will stay in France or turn 180° and go elsewhere.

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

I think we agree apart from these criminals cannot be ignored just because someone else will step into their shoes

Using that analogy, why prosecute any criminals?

Whitewavemark2 and MaizieD - and any other bleeding hearts. When your taxes increase or when you’re living next to an HMO housing five to a room, I suspect you’d be singing a different song then.

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

Braverman is good at beating the fascist drum.

MaizieD

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

I am 100% pro safe borders and being aware of who and why people are entering the U.K. , followed by swift processing ( not a fan of that description) and repatriation when applications are not successful.

I am not in favour of the current proposal.

GrannyGravy13

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

Yes that sounds good but it won’t work it is just like the drug barons - sentence one and another takes his place.

The only way is to take away their customers.

So - make it easy for those seeking asylum to apply

Give them safe passage

Set up application centres at French ports - set up cooperation and arrangements with countries to whom those failing the test are returned.

Deal with those whose refugee status is confirmed as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The people smugglers would see their income drop so drastically that they will be forced to seek different illegal work😄

My father was an economic migrant. He came through a legal route to a job he was pre-engaged for.
Two differences there.
Just as Australia, we should screen for those that could make a contribution to our economy. That’s not racist that’s common sense.

Well, according to Braverman in the Sun today, those of us who don't back this proposed law are Traitors.

Who agrees with her, I wonder?

Siope

ENO they could stop (or vastly reduce) the people smuggling/small boats tomorrow by setting up safe routes at the places where refugees are. They have made a purely political choice not to do so.

But we need to discourage the flood, all a safe route will do is eventually increase it.
What follows is not a racist statement (albeit some may of course choose to interpret it as such) - we cannot afford so many people without any means of supporting themselves!

Katie59

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

Make the sentences long enough / harsh enough, track their bank accounts and confiscate the profits

Just because these gangs are mafia like is absolutely not an excuse to do nothing.

“I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?”

Finding them and proving it in court is the problem, in any case it’s a mafia type operation when you remove one, another will take over, same with drug gangs.

This whole ‘plan’ is inhumane. The government intends to take away these people’s human rights. I’m sick of hearing how it’s so wrong to be an economic migrant. Braverman, Sunak & Patel are the offspring of economic migrants! People coming into the UK want to work and contribute to society but they can’t - meanwhile the UK has to issue 6 month work visas to allow people to come and pick fruit. We have a shortage of workers - so let people contribute and work! This government is pandering to the right wing xenophobes. Never have I been so ashamed to be British. God help us if we ever need refuge!

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Migrants and trying to stop them attracts votes.

Whitewavemark2

ExperiencedNotOld

Patsy70

I realise that I am being naive here, but surely the evil people traffickers should be identified. There is never any mention of who they are.

Maybe because of the half-hearted handling by the French authorities? Not operating on our land, so there’s little we can actually do about them.

Well, it would seem that the assumption that the people smugglers are not entering the U.K. is wrong.

According to a report by the BBC, the smugglers actually live and operate in the U.K.

I saw that report Whitewavemark2 my immediate thought was if the authorities know they are living/operating in/from the U.K. why the hell are they not behind bars?

ExperiencedNotOld

Patsy70

I realise that I am being naive here, but surely the evil people traffickers should be identified. There is never any mention of who they are.

Maybe because of the half-hearted handling by the French authorities? Not operating on our land, so there’s little we can actually do about them.

Well, it would seem that the assumption that the people smugglers are not entering the U.K. is wrong.

According to a report by the BBC, the smugglers actually live and operate in the U.K.

ENO they could stop (or vastly reduce) the people smuggling/small boats tomorrow by setting up safe routes at the places where refugees are. They have made a purely political choice not to do so.

MaizieD

There were plenty of them, Sago. I'm not saying that they were all racist, but racists voted Leave...

Same old trope trotted out…

-And pandering to the racists who voted to leave the EU~

For goodness sake. Fundamentally, crossing in a dinghy is highly unsafe. That should stop. I don’t see how anyone could argue with that stated aim.

There were plenty of them, Sago. I'm not saying that they were all racist, but racists voted Leave...

MaizieD

^The question is^

Why?

The answer surely is, Brexity government, Priti Patel and now Suella Braverman. And pandering to the racists who voted to leave the EU.

Disgraceful to refer to anyone who voted leave as a racist.

Patsy70

I realise that I am being naive here, but surely the evil people traffickers should be identified. There is never any mention of who they are.

Maybe because of the half-hearted handling by the French authorities? Not operating on our land, so there’s little we can actually do about them.

Germanshepherdsmum

If it is correct that asylum is granted to 40% as stated upthread, that would appear to indicate that 60% are not genuine asylum seekers.

It isn’t correct.

If it is correct that asylum is granted to 40% as stated upthread, that would appear to indicate that 60% are not genuine asylum seekers.

They are mostly economic migrants, not asylum seekers.

The percentage whose application for asylum is granted tell a different story.