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New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 09:17:21

GrannyGravy13

It was said on breakfast news that they will be held in two RAF Bases.

This scheme could only work if there were ways to apply for asylum in the U.K. before attempting to get here.

Concentration camps are not a good look.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 09:16:08

James O'Brien

“Public interest in ‘small boats’ grows according to the scale & tone of coverage. Tory politicians & Tory media gleefully & cynically exploiting some of the most desperate people on the planet to distract voters from the mess they’ve made of our country. It’s so crass & obvious.”

Farzanah Tue 07-Mar-23 09:13:31

It has been reported that Braverman is hoping to push Human Rights Laws to the limits.
As far as I can ascertain she is breaking International Human Rights Laws.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 09:06:13

This scheme will only work if there are designated safe routes, countries to whom the Tory government can export the asylum seekers, and it is clear that the U.K. is not breaking international law.

None if it is true.

So it will never work.

This is just a dead cat to attract the hard of thinking.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 07-Mar-23 09:03:42

It was said on breakfast news that they will be held in two RAF Bases.

This scheme could only work if there were ways to apply for asylum in the U.K. before attempting to get here.

silverlining48 Tue 07-Mar-23 09:02:32

Most refugees are in countries close to their homes. The majority who travel further settle in Europe and its only the relative few who take the risky final journey over the sea to get here for reasons of family, language or outdated belief that we are a land of honour and decency. It can’t hurt that we don’t have Identity cards which makes it easier to get work.
45,000 is a fraction of the number of refugees in Germany for instance. They took 1,000,000 Syrians alone as well as Afghanis Iraqis and those more recently from Ukraine.
Yes this is a crowded island but 45,000 is tiny by comparison.
It’s a fact that this government is totally disorganised with a back log of hundreds of thousands of previous refugees still waiting for a decision because they have made so many staff cutbacks and it’s chaos.
There is no legal way for anyone to get into this country other than risk their lives in small boats on the sea.
I don’t know whether is can be true if it is it’s shocking, but I heard yesterday on the radio that only 22 families from Afghanistan have come here through the legal channels provided by the government.

Kandinsky Tue 07-Mar-23 08:53:33

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted. smile

Biscuitmuncher Tue 07-Mar-23 08:50:50

It can't carry on like this

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Mar-23 08:43:19

I’m pleased he’s trying to do something.

Grantanow Tue 07-Mar-23 08:37:52

It won't work and it isn't really meant to. Sunak is throwing a bone to voters who hate immigration and when it fails Braverman can blame 'Lefty lawyers', the Court of Human Rights, etc. This in advance of the local elections to reduce the expected anti-Tory swing.

Casdon Tue 07-Mar-23 08:22:20

Perhaps he’s thinking of creating a giant holding camp somewhere, and putting a facility for people to apply for asylum in the UK from there. If it’s grim enough, which it would be, the thinking is possibly that rather than be deported there, people won’t attempt to come to the UK at all, they will choose other countries, so the issue will disappear. Of course it won’t work.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 07:53:57

I should add that imo it is a non-runner and Sunak knows this but it is part of the culture war that the Tories are trying to fight in an attempt to attract the hard of thinking.

The Sun apparently carried an article written by Sunak - so I assume that is the demography he is trying to impress.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 07-Mar-23 07:49:34

So the latest wheeze from Sunak is to export every single asylum seeker who arrives on our shores, who have not gone through the proper channels or “safe route”

So,

Can anyone explain what safe routes are available.

Can anyone explain the countries willing to accept these exports?

Rwanda has agreed some sort of mutual export agreement - so they will take a few hundred in exchange for us taking theirs. So I’m unclear how that will reduce the pressure - if it ever gets off the ground.

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export, as the law is to apply retrospectively.

Can anyone explain how the Tory government is NOT breaking international law?