Is the EHCR the new Brexit?

Maudi

Have you never heard of Google 😊I know all about the ECHR thank you. Labour have got to win a general election first and with their Open Borders stance I don't think they ever will.

You're just parroting politicians again, Maudi. There is no way that Labour has an open border stance.

But Sunak kept saying that they did at PMQs today, so it must be true, mustn't it? He even dredged up 'freedom of movement', a concept which he appears not to understand as it has nothing to do with refugees.

As far as I'm, aware, the Labour stance is get that processing moving and deal with the backlog, then we can return the unsuccessful applicants a good deal faster than is happening today. Together with pursuing the traffickers rather than demonising the refugees.

Unless there are considerably more racists and xenophobes in the UK than there have been in the past I think that Labour will still win the next GE.

vegansrock

When have Labour ( as opposed to the Tories) said they are in favour of open borders?

What is the current Labour Party stance?

Weirdly I can only find things written about it from many months ago.

Have you never heard of Google 😊I know all about the ECHR thank you. Labour have got to win a general election first and with their Open Borders stance I don't think they ever will.

When have Labour ( as opposed to the Tories) said they are in favour of open borders?

Maudi

The ECHR isn't the new Brexit but The Conservative Stop The Boats versus Labour's Open Borders certainly will be at the next election especially in the fight for the Red Wall Seats.

You have no idea what the remit of the ECHR is Maudi, that much is clear. Or for that matter, any idea what Labour’s stance on migrants will be when they are in power.

The ECHR isn't the new Brexit but The Conservative Stop The Boats versus Labour's Open Borders certainly will be at the next election especially in the fight for the Red Wall Seats.

….or Tufton Street…

He’ll do whatever the ERG tell him to do.

Even though Sunak said he had no intention of leaving the ECHR when the facts change (as in unworkable anti-refugee laws) he might change his mind. Such action might mess up other areas such as the Good Friday agreement, for example. I hope he does not go down that path but another Tory leader might.

ExperiencedNotOld

Growstuff, WWM2 and all others that keep being so aggressively rude.
- Do you not see that you are bullying? Dominating threads, making others wary of entering any opinion?
- Repeating your truth without any consideration for the experience of others?
- Let alone realise how offensive other find your accusations of racism, xenophobia (yes, there is a difference) and ill-education.
Why not try respecting others? I’d be ashamed of such behaviour.

I’ve just re read the thread. Can you give me examples of said rudeness and bullying please as I can’t see any.

Growstuff, WWM2 and all others that keep being so aggressively rude.
- Do you not see that you are bullying? Dominating threads, making others wary of entering any opinion?
- Repeating your truth without any consideration for the experience of others?
- Let alone realise how offensive other find your accusations of racism, xenophobia (yes, there is a difference) and ill-education.
Why not try respecting others? I’d be ashamed of such behaviour.

Not worth taking up room in my brain.

Love it! I'll remember this put down for future use.

Mr. Farage is yesterday’s man, he is not in Government, he does however like the sound of his own voice.

Not worth taking up room in my brain.

Or changes its mind.
Or has new leadership.
Or wants to kow tow to something or someone.
Or just doesnt always keep to its' word.

maddyone

I’ll repeat, Sunak has said he has no intention of leaving the ECHR.
In other words, we’re not leaving!

The Tory party lies

I’ll repeat, Sunak has said he has no intention of leaving the ECHR.
In other words, we’re not leaving!

I h think there are 2 other countries outside of this are Belarus and Russia. Good company then.

How could they possibly think that the electorate would support leaving an organisation that, in general, protects them . Oh, hang on a minute….

Is this the same Mr Farage who has tried and failed seven times to get himself elected as an MP?

Is this the same Mr Farage who recently got up many noses in Scotland, not all of them independence fans, when he described the Scottish First Minister as "the most unpleasant, sour-faced, humourless leader" he had ever met? Whatever you think of Nicola's politics, that's not the Nicola that I and others who have encountered her know.

I do remember from the 2015 general election campaign, which was just before I moved to Scotland and before the SNP landslide actually happened, a TV debate involving the minor parties – NS for the SNP, Leanne Wood for Plaid Cymru, Natalie Bennett for the Greens and Nigel Farage for what was then Ukip. At the end the three women had a group hug and Farage stood looking lost to one side, whereupon Nicola strode over to Nigel, shook his hand and said something encouraging with a smile (I suspect that Nigel isn't a huggy person). That was the first time I'd seen Nicola in action and I was impressed, but in fact knowing what I know now (declaration of interest: I work for Holyrood) it's entirely in character. As it's entirely in character for Nigel Farage to be duplicitous and utterly without grace or charm.

into a new law

Apparently the ECHR is embedded into other things as well

The Good Friday Agreement, the TCA with the EU, the Devolution Settlement, etc [dont ask me about them as dont know much about them].

As it is possible to withdraw from the ECHR, my guess would be, were that to happen at all in the future, the Uk wold take bits of it it liked, and not incorporate other parts?

Yes (in answer to the OP and re the ECHR)

What Mr Farage wrote yesterday

"These new promises by the Government to stop the boats are just cynical politics.

When UK legislation is inevitably overruled by foreign judges in Strasbourg, Tories will fight the next election on leaving ECHR.

Meanwhile another 200,000 migrants will have arrived in Britain."

No, I thought not fancythat but I thought Sunak had said he has no intention of leaving the ECHR.

Googled. Appears not.