What the Tories really think of the UK populace

GagaJo

vegansrock

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

I stand with you vegansrock.

Don't stand alone, I'm joining you.

The OP is correct. The Tories are desperate to win the next election so this is what they think will appeal to the electorate. And it will - to a certain segment.

They can always rely on a their basic supporters - the likes of those who voted for Liz Truss! 😳 But they were in danger of losing others who gave them such a resounding victory in 2019. Those who function at the 3-word sound-bite level ie Get Brexit Done, Oven-Ready Deal, etc..

It’s these types that they want to win back, hence the Stop the Boats slogan.

vegansrock

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

I stand with you vegansrock.

ECHR

Just to remind ourselves and decide which if these no longer “fit” our values.

1. We have an obligation to respect human rights.

2. We have a right to life.

3. We prohibit torture

4. We prohibit slavery and forced labour.

5. We believe in the right to liberty and se unity.

6. We believe that everyone has a right to a fair trial.

7. We believe that there should be no punishment without law.

8. We believe in the right to respect privacy and family life.

9. We believe to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

10.we believe in the freedom of thought.

12. We believe in the right to marry.

11. We believe in the freedom of assembly and association.

13. We believe in the right to effective remedy.

14. We believe in the prohibition of discrimination.

15 I reckon that this article may be used by braverman we believe in the derogation in times of emergency.

Apparently the ECHR is no longer compatible with British values. - according to Braverman.

I wonder what those values now are and how and when they changed so radically.

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

ronib

2022 saw net migration of 504,000 people into the UK.
I don’t have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the fact that the UK is struggling to provide adequate services to house, provide medical care etc for the present population as it stands.

But nearly all of them came to the UK through regular channels. The UK has total control over such immigrants, especially since leaving the EU.

What do the 450,000+ immigrants with visas have to do with the relatively small number crossing the Channel on leaky boats?

If the government wanted to reduce net immigration for all the reasons mentioned, all it has to do is change the quotas, which it could do very easily.

2022 saw net migration of 504,000 people into the UK.
I don’t have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the fact that the UK is struggling to provide adequate services to house, provide medical care etc for the present population as it stands.

Keir Starmer doesn't seem to think very differently to the Tories.

I think that they are taking the reasonable concerns of many British people and hyping them up then toxifying them.

The number of people coming over to this country in small boats is actually not enormous, Under 50,000 last year, but I am sure that if you were to go out into a busy town centre and do a vox pop, lots of shoppers would give figures in the 100s of thousands, if not more.In other words they make a good focus point to draw fire from the government, which simply does not have an overall coherent or effective immigration policy.

Things like providing proper housing, processing people and then getting them into jobs as soon as possible to meet the labour crisis. Find ways to improve conditions in the countries they come from or find temporary refuge for them nearer to their homes.

I think they believe enough people are like that to win in a first past the post system. I’m not sure, sadly, that they are wrong.

Also, of course, they recognise that keeping a confected culture war high on the agenda goes a long way to convincing people there is a crisis (even when there isn’t) that they would tackle effectively, if only all these others would let them.

I can only think that they are picking up some of the really disgusting comments that are made on line and deciding that it represents "The Will Of The People"