What the Tories really think of the UK populace

MaizieD

GagaJo

vegansrock

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

I stand with you vegansrock.

Don't stand alone, I'm joining you.

And me!

The hatred isn’t working yet

Lab: 50% (+5)
🔵 Con: 26% (NC)
🟠 LD: 7% (-4)
🟡 SNP: 4% (NC)
⚪ Ref: 6% (NC)
🟢 Green: 5% (-1)

It did work with large swathes of the German and Austrian population- no difference! The same people... 90 years later.

Braverman is stirring up hatred towards immigrants and it may work with some people. It isn't working with me and hopefully most will see through the motives behind this.

Katie59

I know what the local Tories think of the working classes because I have waitressed at fund raising events, their attitude to staff is appalling. It was so bad that the venue refused to accept further bookings, the behavior of the leadership in recent years is very similar, voters are sheep, who believe whatever the media tell them.

Couldn't agree more. I don't understand why some media consumers don't question what they read at times.

Lineker is correct in that this was how Jewish ppl were ‘othered’ in 1930s Germany. It didn’t start with concentration camps and gas chambers….

So I too am with vegansrock and others on this.

Braverman does not speak for me.

I know what the local Tories think of the working classes because I have waitressed at fund raising events, their attitude to staff is appalling. It was so bad that the venue refused to accept further bookings, the behavior of the leadership in recent years is very similar, voters are sheep, who believe whatever the media tell them.

Braverman does not speak for me! It's a stunt to get the racists and anti-immigrants voting Tory. I was appalled when the Tory grassroots voted for Truss. Everything Sunak predicted came to pass as a result of her mismanagement. Imho they voted her in because they didn't want a person of colour as Tory leader and PM.

It isn’t just pitting us - the people- against those seeking asylum, but the people v lawyers, people v “the blob” people v those speaking truth to power (traitors)

And so forth

Vegansrock I seethe when the vile braverman even breaths air on the tv before she opens her mouth
She is a hypocrite of the worst kind ‘I m here let’s shut the door firmly so no one else gets a chance at life’

I d happily swap 1000 refugees (however they arrive) with 1000 of our long term prisoners or the arxxx running the county lines or rapists or child abusers

I cannot bear what the Tories have done to the country and turned average people into haters because of fear and wrong information passed to the press to enhance and rev up the ordinary folk into believing we are being overrun

I so remember Enoch Powell although I was young

Whitewavemark2

Braverman is using the term “people” as a construct in my opinion to suggest a community of patriotic folk. Everyone else by definition “not loyal/patriotic” and a traitor.

The irony of a child of immigrants whipping up hate towards immigrants and implying that those that aren't hostile to refugees are traitorous...

vegansrock

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

I agree with you. I have notice this type of rhetoric used more and more frequently.

Braverman is using the term “people” as a construct in my opinion to suggest a community of patriotic folk. Everyone else by definition “not loyal/patriotic” and a traitor.

I actually know a decent Conservative MP. She was a pupil at a school where I taught. Unless she's undergone a radical change of thought, she's strong on human rights. I've noticed she's made a couple of speeches in the HoC attacking some of the dinosaurs in her own party, but has gone very quiet recently. She's still quite young and I'm hoping there are more like her waiting in the wings somewhere.

You'd be very welcome GG13.

I've only ever voted Labour once in my life. I suspect my seat is still safe Conservative, so my vote won't count, but if Labour look like it has any chance of ousting my MP, I'll vote for them.

I certainly don't want to be included in the group the government claims is the "people".

Whitewavemark2

Just had a quick look and so far, the “ little boats” have made zero difference to the polls. Labour are still 20+ points ahead. But I guess there is time if they keep flogging the dead cat.

I think there must be a lot of Conservative voters like me Whitewavemark2

I cannot vote for them unless there is a major policy shift along with some fresh prospective MP’s

Have no idea who will be the Labour Candidate in my constituency, but have fingers crossed that a very strong local independent councillor will stand, if they do they stand a reasonable chance.

Whitewavemark2

Just had a quick look and so far, the “ little boats” have made zero difference to the polls. Labour are still 20+ points ahead. But I guess there is time if they keep flogging the dead cat.

The local elections will provide a litmus test of opinions in real world scenarios.

MaizieD

GagaJo

vegansrock

I seethe whenever Suellla Braverman says “this is what the British people want”- well I’m one of the British people, no one has asked me, and I don’t want this.

I stand with you vegansrock.

Don't stand alone, I'm joining you.

As a lifelong Conservative, can I stand with you also?

Whitewavemark2

Wonder if the polls have shifted since the “stop the boats” hysteria?

The important issue is where they've shifted. It doesn't really matter if 100% of people in London, Liverpool or Manchester vote Labour because the majority of seats in those areas are held by Labour anyway. The important ones are the former "red wall" Labour seats. They need to see that Labour can really offer them something.

Just had a quick look and so far, the “ little boats” have made zero difference to the polls. Labour are still 20+ points ahead. But I guess there is time if they keep flogging the dead cat.

Wonder if the polls have shifted since the “stop the boats” hysteria?

Quokka

The OP is correct. The Tories are desperate to win the next election so this is what they think will appeal to the electorate. And it will - to a certain segment.

They can always rely on a their basic supporters - the likes of those who voted for Liz Truss! 😳 But they were in danger of losing others who gave them such a resounding victory in 2019. Those who function at the 3-word sound-bite level ie Get Brexit Done, Oven-Ready Deal, etc..

It’s these types that they want to win back, hence the Stop the Boats slogan.

I think that's true. It seems many asylum seekers have been housed in deprived areas, which isn't surprising because that's where the spare capacity is. Many of these areas are "red wall" and were a target for UKIP before they backed down from competing against Tories. I think the rhetoric and stoking the flames of a culture war is quite deliberate. They know the current plans won't work, but they'll be able to claim they tried and it was the "blob" of lefties who stopped them.

The Tories can't fight an election on their record on the economy, the NHS, public services, the environment, but there are people with a range of different voting histories who will vote with them on cultural issues, even if they shoot themselves in the foot economically. They learnt that from Cummings and the referendum.

There are local elections in many areas in May - it will be interesting to see how the parties approach them. I suspect we're going to see a number of independent "Stop the boats" kind of parties.

ronib

2022 saw net migration of 504,000 people into the UK.
I don’t have a problem with this. I do have a problem with the fact that the UK is struggling to provide adequate services to house, provide medical care etc for the present population as it stands.

Just for accuracy, since we’re talking about how the government uses statistics emotively. I believe that is a provisional figure from a 2022 ONS report, which says:

"A series of world events have impacted international migration patterns in the 12 months to June 2022. Taken together these were unprecedented. These include the end of lockdown restrictions in the UK, the first full period following transition from the EU, the war in Ukraine, the resettlement of Afghans and the new visa route for Hong Kong British nationals (Overseas), which have all contributed to the record levels of long-term immigration we have seen."

No one asked me either. I stand with you vegansrock .

Where did Braverman get her ideas ?It wasn't at her school .I have a friend who worked there and is adamant that she definitely didn't get these ideas from school.

I thought exactly the same as vegansrock when I heard this was the will of the British people.

My opinion of GLinekar has gone up since he spoke out too.

The vocabulary used about the poor people arriving in small boats degrades them and dehumanises them which is chilling for any of us who know what happened in 1930s Germany.

I gave a home to a Sudanese student in the 1980s who applied for and achieved asylum here. It was hard enough then so it must be so much worse now.