So how can we show our disgust ...

Thanks Dinahmo and Wyllow3. I was away last week. I feel I’ve landed in a parallel universe where so many posters are spouting nonsense

Lesley18

Am with millydog and @gillycats. Was beginning to think Gransnet was full of leftie snowflakes without any common sense at all. Six million pounds a day paying for the illegal immigrants to stay in hotels. Don't moan when you can't get a Dr's appointment, social housing or anything else. The money from people who are actually paying tax can only go so far. I think labour are likely to get in next time. Be interesting to see what happens then. Be prepared.

The Tory govt doesn't want to spend the money needed to process the asylum seekers quickly which is why, with the camps being full, they have had to use hotels to house them. Apparently there is at least one cruise shop up in Scotland which is either being used or about to be used to house more.

Interestingly Sunak's budget had some of Labour's plans which were part of the manifesto at the last GE. EG child care.

Junglebub

I had no idea that Lineker was fluent in 1930's German! Or is he simply relying on someone else's translations to form the basis of his crackpot twitterings, I wonder......

There is plenty of historical evidence about the state of Germany in the 1920s. Hitler became involved with politics when he joined the German Workers' Party in 1919, This renamed in 1920 to include the words National Socialist. By 1922 Hitler had gained control of the Nazi Party and in 1923attempted a coup in Bavaria. He was imprisoned but let out after a few months. During that time he wrote Mein Kampf.

Throughout the 20s the Nazi Party campaigned for antisemitism, anticommunism and ultranationalisation. They also attacked the ruling government.

So, Lineker doesn't need to be fluent in German because there are plenty of history books at all levels which provide details of the events during the 20s and 30s.

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

I'm as active a Labour Party member as I can be. Yes we do all he suff suggested above: our branch goes out canvassing 3 times a week to knock on doors to ask what do people want.

I'm taking part in a a national group that is forming policy on MH provision for the next election. People in my branch are active in local food banks and CAB etc. I'm a Quaker as well and we are heavily involved in the local refugee support facilities. I am vulnerable, coming out of an abusive marriage and a Safeguarded Adult. Local Labour MP has huge surgery facilities with volunteer helpers.

Yet you say what you do.

I think you are just being provocative really, because we all know people of differing views including equally caring Conservative Party member who may choose slightly different helping roles who also care for the vulnerable where they live.

Shame on you.

I have just looked at the cintents of the book you recommend Effalump and as I can see it is the book on the conspiracies of conspiracies. I only wish life was that simple.

The thing is, we don't have enough variety of parties. One party will always be either Labour or Conservative and the remainder or just non-entities. Basically, none of the parties actually want to work for the electorate. They are just interested in lining their own pockets. It really doesn't matter which party get the most votes in an Election, the Puppet-masters will always install who they want. Try reading The Falsification of history; Our Disorted Reality by John Hamer and you will see wht I mean.

Well said Maisie…. We do protest , and when we do all sorts of people ( I include no doubt some posters on gransnet!) complain and moan about not getting to appointments because the traffic is stopped in London …or “ why are these people holding the country to ransom” … the ‘protestors’ also known as ‘hooligans ‘ get no support from the likes of armchair moaners. Are any of you cheering because nurses and junior doctors are striking for a pay deal that’s better than a ‘Costa Coffee’ worker.!?!

Gillycats

Irish Dancing yes they have. We are one of the most tolerant and diverse countries in the world.
MayBee70 the language is nothing like the German government used in Nazi Germany or German politics in the 1930’s. And it’s abhorrent to even suggest it is.
Our right to strike has been diminishing since the awful strikes of the 1970’s when this country was brought to its knees. And that’s under Labour and Tories. I fully support those who earn minimum wage or less and anyone who does not receive the legal requirements from a health and safety point of view. But bringing the country to its knees once more when there is a global economic and environmental crisis by people on decent wages and conditions is just wrong. Let’s help the genuinely poor and needy first then let’s look at helping those earning a decent income. And for me that includes helping genuine refugees with particular emphasis on women and children from war torn countries. Not young men from places where they’re actually safe eg Albania. Unlike the Jews who were anything but safe in pre WW2 Germany….

Well said Milliedog by the way! Spot on!

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Lesley18

Am with millydog and @gillycats. Was beginning to think Gransnet was full of leftie snowflakes without any common sense at all. Six million pounds a day paying for the illegal immigrants to stay in hotels. Don't moan when you can't get a Dr's appointment, social housing or anything else. The money from people who are actually paying tax can only go so far. I think labour are likely to get in next time. Be interesting to see what happens then. Be prepared.

Thank you Keffie12 and others. We leftie snowflakes with no common sense need to keep talking about reality, both about Starmer the decent, ethical politician and the reality of how 12 years of Tory misrule have decimated our nhs.
Lesley18 - the conservatives have had 12 years in power. How can they not be held responsible for our chaotic approach to managing asylum seekers

Am with millydog and @gillycats. Was beginning to think Gransnet was full of leftie snowflakes without any common sense at all. Six million pounds a day paying for the illegal immigrants to stay in hotels. Don't moan when you can't get a Dr's appointment, social housing or anything else. The money from people who are actually paying tax can only go so far. I think labour are likely to get in next time. Be interesting to see what happens then. Be prepared.

Please remember the murdered MP David Amess. Nothing could be further from the truth, and there are many like him. A very unpleasant phrase which ignorant people love to quote.

JdotJ

Unfortunately, all politicians have their noses in the trough, regardless of which party they represent.

Unfortunately, you are probably right.

Rioting? Do you remember the terrible riots of the past?

Keffie this is the podcast I recommended ages ago and others have suggested it subsequently but unfortunately if you are one of those people who are already convinced you "know" the sort of person he is you won't listen.

I wish more people would hear him in his own words.

Well said, Keffie12.

Remember the Poll Tax riots.
Change happened then.

Protests nowadays are too peaceful.
The government aren’t taking any notice.

Thatcher took things too far and this government is doing the same. And unfortunately getting away with it.

Maybe rioting will make them sit up and notice.

happycatholicwife1

Offer to take migrants on to give them a place to live, work, etc., man volunteer programs, work toward communal housing on some of the margins of your great green areas. Britain has a lot of room if used properly.

If you invest in these things with time and money in high numbers, you can lead the government.

I think Keir Starmer's Labour is necessarily bland at the moment, they're just trying to keep out of the limelight as much as possible leaving the media to cover the various tory horrors. Keir & team will be a great gov't. Boris & co tricked the people to vote for him with his bus promising money for the NHS, the opposite was true, Boris & co want to privatise the NHS, they are spending more on health now than previously cos they are using private companies which cost more but don't give better care. but if your pals own PPE companies etc. it gives them huge salaries

For those unsure of Keir Starmer, listen to this podcast. This is an hour-long podcast which will give you more measure into the man than clips taking out of context.

He is a thoroughly decent future P.M. I'm not saying he is perfect because no one is. He is decent and wants to govern properly. Something we haven't had in the last 13 years.

Cameron wasn't like this lot, even though he is Tory; however, he did land us in this mess, with his arrogance over the referendum vote, by not putting in the 60/40% vote and thinking people would vote for the status quo. I could go on. I won't. You get the jist

Anyway, Keir is boring I hear some say. I want politicians to do the job they are paid for. A politician isn't there to entertain me. If I want entertaining, I will go to the theatre.

You will be surprised at the dry quiet humour and depth of the man: Link to below

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/keir-starmer/id1454408831?i=1000552160665

hcw1 Is that what you all do in the US?

Unfortunately, all politicians have their noses in the trough, regardless of which party they represent.

Using a magic money tree I assume? You perhaps don’t know the rules here about building on the green belt, nor about employing people who don’t have ‘papers’.

Offer to take migrants on to give them a place to live, work, etc., man volunteer programs, work toward communal housing on some of the margins of your great green areas. Britain has a lot of room if used properly.

If you invest in these things with time and money in high numbers, you can lead the government.

I don’t agree. You have every right to have your opinion of course and I would defend that right but really nothing could be worse than this shocking Conservative Party. I think Sir Kier Starmer will be a fine pm and he has got a good shadow cabinet with him. We need change to undo all the wrongs and chaos that Boris and his succession of pm’s have caused.

I have no faith in any political party I feel sad to say this , I also think the people influencing the political parties are the media ,celebrities and the woke gang but not the hard working good people of Britain

The English seem to lack ‘the get up and go’
The French are to be admired and copied. French politicians listen to their voters. The French and Scots, have the ‘fire in their bellies’ English don’t have, leaving it for others to get off their ‘back sides’ The English are not motivated and leave the ‘extremists’ to do the work for them.
The Scots also have the passion but London Parliament have diluted their strength but only slightly.
Please please let the English do something for themselves. Make our politicians do more than listen we need proactive leaders. I do think our politicians should be paid by results. A productivity wage may be the answer.