How do you feel about the freeze on your tax threshold and on some benefits paying for giveaway to the wealthiest 1%?

Germanshepherdsmum

You are suggesting that people do not pay attention to manifestos, or to the leadership debates we now have, but merely look back?

recent general election results, not to mention the referendum would indeed indicate that people do not pay attention to manifestos, do not read all sides of the press to get a balanced view. Those who finally admit that the Tories have been a disaster for the majority of the population will excuse voting for them again by saying that 'they are all as bad'.

You are suggesting that people do not pay attention to manifestos, or to the leadership debates we now have, but merely look back?

DaisyAnne

Facts do matter. However, that wasn't what I was asking. You both believe you understand the facts GSM and WWM2. Yet, from what we read, you are likely to vote for two different parties with contrasting and irreconcilable views. This can only be because your perspectives and those are based on your feelings, not facts.

Many people will vote on those feelings alone. However much you could try to beat people up on GN for not using your preferred facts, it will not change their feelings about what is right and what is wrong from their personal perspective. They each have the same number of votes as you do - 1. Many people will vote in the next election simply by using their feelings about whether the last 13 Tory years have left them better or worse off. That makes "feelings" important, possibly as important or more important, in an election as facts are.

Not sure how you glean that from my very short post to gsm
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Facts do matter. However, that wasn't what I was asking. You both believe you understand the facts GSM and WWM2. Yet, from what we read, you are likely to vote for two different parties with contrasting and irreconcilable views. This can only be because your perspectives and those are based on your feelings, not facts.

Many people will vote on those feelings alone. However much you could try to beat people up on GN for not using your preferred facts, it will not change their feelings about what is right and what is wrong from their personal perspective. They each have the same number of votes as you do - 1. Many people will vote in the next election simply by using their feelings about whether the last 13 Tory years have left them better or worse off. That makes "feelings" important, possibly as important or more important, in an election as facts are.

Newquay

On Question Time last night a young woman raised the point of why not help families allow a parent to stay home with babies up to 2 years? So cruel, shoving such young children into nurseries-which are always short staffed in any event. Young children need one to one care IMHO

I was a little concerned when my granddaughter went into full time nursery care at 6months but my daughter had to return to work. In there young years the care is nearly one to one and she absolutely flourished she is now a very well adjusted 5 year old and her previous nursery nurse now works for a child minder who does he wrap round care for school.
The government could not replace my daughters salary through no stretch of the imagination. And dropping out of work affects your career path.
Throughout this time I have always done one days care a week and ad hoc times when needed

Newquay

On Question Time last night a young woman raised the point of why not help families allow a parent to stay home with babies up to 2 years? So cruel, shoving such young children into nurseries-which are always short staffed in any event. Young children need one to one care IMHO

A valid question, but one that has to be set against the fact that for many women the break they take to care for their young children has a seriously poor effect on their career prospects.

That's a whole other can of worms, isn't it?

To answer the question in the OP, it is economically illiterate.

Where on earth is the chancellor expecting economic growth from if a large section of the population have no spare money to spend? There are not enough wealthy people to spend enough in the economy to keep it afloat.

On Question Time last night a young woman raised the point of why not help families allow a parent to stay home with babies up to 2 years? So cruel, shoving such young children into nurseries-which are always short staffed in any event. Young children need one to one care IMHO

It should never have happened. At least I can hold my head up there.

Germanshepherdsmum

What people ‘feel’ is not necessarily reflective of the facts. If enough negativity is spread around - and it certainly is on GN where there is so much vitriol about the government and those perceived to be ‘rich’ (even ‘two homes Urms’ was lumping herself in with the poor yesterday) then that will adversely affect ‘feelings’.

I agree with you there - look at Brexit a massive example of this.

What people ‘feel’ is not necessarily reflective of the facts. If enough negativity is spread around - and it certainly is on GN where there is so much vitriol about the government and those perceived to be ‘rich’ (even ‘two homes Urms’ was lumping herself in with the poor yesterday) then that will adversely affect ‘feelings’.

Germanshepherdsmum

Why do you think you are subsidising the top 1%, as opposed to paying your way?

I think this is one of those cases where having News linked with Politics in one forum confuses what people expect.

GSM, HappyGirl did not say she thought she was subsidising the 1%. HappyGirl felt it. It very descriptively "grated" on her. She was not arguing the political point but answering the question of how she felt.

Much is now (in the things I read and see) being made about how people will "feel" after 13 years of Tory government when we approach the election. I thought that after a budget, it was a good time to ask how people are "feeling" about the analysis of it so far and how they "feel" from their own, not your, perspective.

The 'Political' threads are interesting if we can learn something from them. However, news gatherers and writers are telling us how we "feel" as we vote will also matter. Obviously, this can/will change over the next year, but it would be interesting to begin to understand those "feelings" now.

I think the personal allowance will be increased next year in an attempt to buy votes from an 'appeased' people. Unfortunately some can be swayed by these tactics.

It seems a bit disingenuous to expect anyone to say they’re delighted. The next GE is our opportunity to make our views known. Mine are despair and despair. Esp at 0 for public services.

Why do you think you are subsidising the top 1%, as opposed to paying your way?

The freezing of the tax thresholds is devastating for people just above the £12750 threshold. My income is too much to receive pension credit, but I live alone and my income is only £13700 per annum. Not a lot to manage on but I am careful so get by .There will be many others worse off but it does "grate" when I am subsidising the top 1% who don't need the money.

tough touch

To add an outsider's view, the New Statesman tells us people are feeling "bleak", that it is a "cross fingers, tough wood" kind of budget and have a sense of instability.

I admit to feeling deeply sad about the next few years for so many people. But not everyone will feel like that, so let us hear that you feel upbeat.

I think you mean that you mean you see it as it is a "loaded" question Maw. In other words, one that assumes guilt. However, the answer to "when did you stop beating your wife" is surely "I have never beaten my wife" - end of assumption.

If you feel there has been an assumption made by many in the news, that you disagree with, it is perfectly reasonable to say so, and to let us know how you feel about what is being said.

It would be good to hear some are jumping up and down with glee, especially if you are in possession of exactly how it will affect you (which you don't have to disclose, obviously).

It presupposes that the only outcome of the frozen tax threshold etc is to fund this top economic tier of society.
I am not putting myself forward as an apologist for Jetemy Hunt but as I recall there were many other areas of increased government expenditure presumably (like it says on the tin) funded by the budget - the extension of subsidised childcare hours being just one , increased funding fir charities aiming to deter particularly young people from suicide being another.

MawtheMerrier

I think this is what is called a leading question
A bit like "When did you stop beating your wife?"
Or "What attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels, Debbie McGee?"

It's certainly a very valid question.

Why do you think it is not?

MawtheMerrier

I think this is what is called a leading question
A bit like "When did you stop beating your wife?"
Or "What attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels, Debbie McGee?"

Yep 👍🏻

I think this is what is called a leading question
A bit like "When did you stop beating your wife?"
Or "What attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels, Debbie McGee?"

I found this: news.sky.com/story/budget-2023-calculator-see-if-you-are-better-or-worse-off-after-chancellor-jeremy-hunts-statement-12834667

It's the Sky News Budget 2023 calculator which some might find useful.

Thanks buffyfly. You sound as if you might be in the "what can't be cured, must be endured" camp .