Braverman's propaganda

volver3

^Braverman seems to think it’s going to work.^

And would you believe her if she told you wolverines made good house pets?

(Planes, Trains and Automobiles, 1987)

Volver 3 I didn’t say what I thought…. But my grandson loves wolverines!

Didn’t Australia take a similar approach to migrants?

tickingbird, nobody lived here, nobody, until the ice melted 10,000 years ago. Yes, there were a few hardy hunters, but no settlements. EVERYONE who lives here now is an immigrant. Volver's folk had to leave Doggerland as the waters rose.., and we became cut off from the rest of the continent. Maybe your folk, tickingbird, came by small boat, canoe, coracle, curragh, 9,000 years ago. A long time, yes, but you are still an immigrant. We all are.

Not too huge a leap for those who believe that millions if not billions of people are ready to arrive on these shores. Rather like when Farage told them that the entire Turkish nation would arrive if they didn't vote for Brexit.

Braverman seems to think it’s going to work.

And would you believe her if she told you wolverines made good house pets?

(Planes, Trains and Automobiles, 1987)

MaizieD did not think Braverman said anything about population density but rather the aim is to disrupt people smuggling and its mode of operation. Basically don’t arrive here in small boats if you want to be allowed to stay. I am sure I didn’t imagine the speech…. Braverman seems to think it’s going to work.
Also clearly Rwanda needs the income from the enterprise.

Well! If nothing else, it has been nice to see people on here fighting back against the usual Gransnet " blame the fact that that it rained yesterday on Tory loving, Brexit supporting, Daily Mail reading , 'ists ' and 'obics' who couldn't possibly have an idea of their own that wasn't put there by brainwashing" members of GN.

Some figures

Population density of Rwanda 2022 523 people per sq. kilometre

Population density of UK 2022 278 people per sq kilometre

And we're planning to send Rwanda more people because the UK is 'overcrowded'

"Utter nonsense to suggest we should have open borders, even more to blame it on Brexit."

The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the country had a net migration gain of 504,000 people between June 2021 and June 2022. That number was nearly triple the 173,000 registered the year prior.

Record numbers of people are moving to the UK even as the pro-Brexit government promises to crack down on immigration. Roughly 50,000 EU citizens left the UK over a one-year period, while 331,000 non-EU citizens arrived.

www.dw.com/en/uk-immigration-nearly-triples-despite-brexit-promises/a-63878757#:~:text=Record%20numbers%20of%20people%20are,331%2C000%20non%2DEU%20citizens%20arrived.

I have never heard anyone argue in favour of open borders - that is indeed nonsense to suggest it, but brexit has had a significant effect on the numbers of migrants arriving here and that is a FACT, not nonsense. Just look at the figures.

Oreo

Even more nonsense to quote what happened 10,000 years ago😂

Until 300 years ago the Scots were 'foreigners and frequently fought against the English. They are still a different nationality, as are the Welsh and the Irish.

Just because they lived on the same island as the English didn't always make them friendly neighbours.

Gosh, what a memory you have tickingbird. You're a bit confused though.

My ancestors came in from Doggerland, (I think you laughed about that...or maybe it was somebody else...). Whatever, the fact that on at least one line I have genes that can be traced back to the original settlers on these Isles does not mean that I don't have genes from later settlers. I certainly have Irish ancestors. Probably some Vikings too. Incidentally 10,000 years ago there was no England or Scotland. Maybe you missed that bit.

What you also missed is that no-one is advocating open borders and that Brexit has made it more difficult to deal with the people arriving on our shores.

Even more nonsense to quote what happened 10,000 years ago😂

Is it a FACT that every human on these islands is an immigrant. The migrations beginning as the ice cleared away 10,000 years ago.
Volver wink

What nonsense. volver herself made reference not so long ago to the fact that her DNA test revealed she was totally, 100% Scottish. Not a drop of foreign blood. She’s probably the only person on this island that isn’t polluted by - shock horror - English blood 😱😱

Utter nonsense to suggest we should have open borders, even more to blame it on Brexit.

Whatever we would like to do for people from the rest of the world, the duty of any government is to look after the needs of their own countrymen first.It’s no good party politics playing and I agree that the Conservatives have let us all down, but we have to face the reality of what we have now.Adding untold thousands of mainly economic migrants to this woe is putting too much strain on what’s already horribly strained.
NanKate we need to have a humanitarian sympathy with people in poverty here, those with disabilities quite often and house them properly, also the invited people from Afghanistan still often living in a crowded hotel room.
Those families living in B&B accommodation and so on.
Apart from the strain of looking after 45,000 uninvited migrants every year the thought of boats capsizing at sea is an ever present tragedy waiting to happen.

Quite apart from the ludicrous delay in processing asylum claims, caused deliberately by this government downgrading staff and failing to recruit and train new staff to do this, the refusal to allow these people to work is also designed to cause resentment about the cost of housing claimants.

What the rightwing press rarely mention is the brexit effect. We are no longer in the EU, therefore no longer party to the Dublin Agreement which previously facilitated the return of unsuccessful claimants to other EU countries. Yet another brexit bonus!

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/

Have you seen what is happening in Iran, grandmac? Have you seen the photos of the young men who have been hanged because they dared to protest against the brutal murder of a young woman imprisoned for not wearing a hijab properly? Maybe you don't care, but I looked at them, saw the face of my son of the same age who is alive and safe because he was born here. And I wept.

grandmac

There is no war or famine in Albania or Iran. The would be immigrants might not want to live there but that’s their misfortune . I might not want to live in the UK so if I jump in a dinghy and sail off to Australia and claim asylum would I be let in? No I’d be sent back. I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers from war torn countries but if the illegal economic migrants continue to come here our country will eventually become like the country they have left. Then maybe we will become the economic migrants and who will take us in?

I think if you got all the way to Australia on a dinghy you'd deserve something substantial.

If you claim asylum you will be let in as that is international law.

I believe they're not allowed to inter people on Nauru any more, what with those people going mad and all.

One's county being at war is not the only reason for becoming a refugee. Being gay in some parts of sub Saharan Africa, there's one valid reason.

Yeah I’m sure the refugees/immigrants would be so much happier in the hotels that we are currently housing them in costing the British tax payers 6million pound a day!

There is no war or famine in Albania or Iran. The would be immigrants might not want to live there but that’s their misfortune . I might not want to live in the UK so if I jump in a dinghy and sail off to Australia and claim asylum would I be let in? No I’d be sent back. I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers from war torn countries but if the illegal economic migrants continue to come here our country will eventually become like the country they have left. Then maybe we will become the economic migrants and who will take us in?

Oreo

Amalegra

I would be interested to hear from any politician or indeed, individual, who has a workable solution to the 51,000 refugees we are accommodating in hotels across the country, at £6 million + per day cost to taxpayers. Build housing for them perhaps? Of course not, we can’t do that for our present citizens, so not possible! Speed up massively the processing of their applications, (many of which may be spurious)? Oh sorry! A strike is happening with Border control and civil servants, isn’t it, so might be problems there! A TV programme the other day pointed out the unsuitability of much of the present hotel accommodation for all concerned. One was in the middle of a retirement village and golf course where the residents of said village were no longer able to use the facilities they had expected to be able to access. The refugee occupants had nothing to do all day as the nearest town was distant. I live in a seaside town where there are many hotels full of refugees, again with nothing to do. There are numerous local problems, one of which made national news. While we, like other countries, have a duty to help true refugees who arrive here from politically unsafe or war torn countries, I am at a loss to understand how the number of ‘refugees’ (often young males) from European countries which are deemed safe and who pass through numerous safe countries to reach our shores are classed as refugees at all. I volunteer in a sector that involves refugees from Ukraine and Afghanistan and there certainly is a distinction despite all the handwringing from champagne socialists such as Lineker et al. It is certainly becoming a huge problem which if not dealt with soon will impact every area of peoples lives, unless one is wealthy enough not to use nor need the social infrastructure which is failing in every area of this country in general and in this situation particularly. Answers on a postcard please?

Good comments.👏🏻👏🏻
And it’s already impacting many areas of people’s lives here.

The delay in processing asylum applications may be affected by the strike but it isn't something new. People seeking asylum have been experiencing huge delays for some time, some waiting years for a decision. Why? Well just so that numbers in hotels will increase and people will be upset. Try thinking about families stuck in hotels unable to move on with their lives, waiting for news. Unable to find out how long their application will take or what stage it is at. Unable to work. Unable to move. Is this really some sort of ideal situation? Or indeed anything anyone would put up with unless you had no other choice. Or the choice was a terrible situation you had to flee from.

NanKate

For those people who disagree with moving people abroad who land on our shores, how do they propose dealing with them ?

We can’t get doctors’ appointments, there is a waiting for council properties. Would there be places in our schools ?Where are these thousands of people be housed safely ?

I want us to be humane. It’s a real conundrum.

I wonder how the Labour Party would deal with this difficult situation.

Migrants are not the reason we can’t get doctors’ appointments; the real cause is that this government has run down the NHS. They could have used the money they paid for that ‘wonderful’ accommodation to build homes here.

Do you smile at Braverman as she does a deal with a dictator swapping boatloads of desperate asylum seekers for plane loads of distressed, too hard to Rwanda to handle, battle scarred Congolese migrants? Fancy them in your village instead do you?

This part of the Rwanda deal is glossed over, isnt it.

all of you calling some of us do gooders, you do realise you are being played by the Tories don't you? It is no coincidence that the hotels packed full of distressed asylum seekers are in marginal seats. Must be an election coming if they are playing the 'you would be able to get a GP appt/new hip/potholes filled/1970s comedies which would offend these snowflakes if we weren't paying so much to unnecessarily house refugees. Tell us, does Farage do a migrant watch on his ghastly programme? Do you sit there in your safe, warm, comfortable home and tut at people who have risked everything to give their children what we all want for ours? Do you smile at Braverman as she does a deal with a dictator swapping boatloads of desperate asylum seekers for plane loads of distressed, too hard to Rwanda to handle, battle scarred Congolese migrants? Fancy them in your village instead do you?

katy1950

Totally agree with you I live near Blackpool it's a nightmare all these do gooders would ljje them in thier villages

So what do you suggest?

Totally agree with you I live near Blackpool it's a nightmare all these do gooders would ljje them in thier villages

Summerfly

After visiting a seaside town recently, I was shocked to see large numbers of immigrants, all men, just kicking their heels with nothing to do all day. It’s a sad sight to see. Wouldn’t it be better to find some form of work for them, to earn their own money?

That is exactly what would be happening if Braverman behaved rationally and like the Home Office head she is supposed to be.