Braverman's propaganda

Greta

^I, like SB , have a home, a tax paying job,a family and a history here. I am not displaced. I have not come here illegally and I am not looking for somewhere to live or a country to take me in.^
In other words you are very lucky. But no room for compassion.

That is unfair

Believe they came over legally. No dumping of documents.

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

The expulsion of British-Indians from Uganda brought a huge number of people to this country.*
The difference on that one is that they had British passports and a legal entitlement to emigrate to the UK!

I do believe that pretty drastic measures are needed to stop the channel crossings. But I am deeply uncomfortable with the loss of any right to appeal.

If all the European countries struggling with an influx of refugees were to work together on a "bigger picture" solution to the management of welcoming refugees then it would go some way to making the whole process better for the populations of each country and the refugees. As it is each country "competes", there is no consistency of policy, criteria etc and so it goes on.

Nannashirlz

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

With global warming, the problem is only going to get worse.

We would migrate if our country was being destroyed, like Ukraine is, or if global warming made it unliveable. So we have to expect people who live in wartorn or climate crisis related countries to do it too. And living in crisis often means loss of possessions, such as passports etc. There is no popping to the sideboard drawer to get your passport if your house has been blown up.

And this is the reason why I no longer read GransNet. Pity really, because it was full of interesting stuff when it started. And yes, this is the first time I have commented here.

Nannashirlz

Well how many of you would allow a total stranger into your home to live with you. 🤔 no i didn’t think so. Now explain why we should allow young fit fighting age young men arrive on a boat and give them money mobile phones and 4 star hotels. Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so. I want a lot of things but doesn’t mean I’m going to get them So why should they be allowed to jump in a dingy and expect to stay here.

Oh, how I've missed the mobile phone and 4* hotel brigade. Well, not really.

A dingy what?

Nothing changes, eh?

Tell me how many countries you can enter without your paperwork🤔 no didn’t think so.

All of them. Try harder.

Welcome back volver.
GN life has been so dull without you, but yes nothing has changed 😀

I so agree with you elaine0411. I've waded through 5 pages of this thread for the purpose of reading a range of views but instead of being more enlightened, I just feel rather depressed by all the division. So I'm off to read the next thread about Useful Plastic Storage Boxes!

Milliedog

And for those still advocating a welcome to all policy - do you have an upper limit? Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language? Because that's what has happened to my grandchildren. And together with large class sizes, it has an impact on their education. I have a number of good friends who were born in Africa, South Korea etc. I'm really glad that we live in a country with many nationalities. We are the richer for it. But borders are vital for every country. I'm not a huge fan of Suella Braverman, but until someone comes up with a better plan, I'll be backing her.

Would you like to point out just* who*, on this thread, is advocating 'a welcome to all policy'?

Or which party is?

^ Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language?^

This has nothing at all to do with the current problem; these are the children of completely legal immigrants. Are you advocating a complete ban on all immigrants who don't have English as their first language?

Do you think that the current tory policies will have any effect at all on the numbers of asylum seekers arriving in the UK in small boats? Which is the actual subject of this thread.

Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language?

English isn't my first language. My ancestors have been here 10,000 years.

Just sayin'

sandelf

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

Braverman and Patel's parents were economic migrants. As were Zahawi's.

sandelf

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

How do you propose that 'anyone' claims asylum or refugee status when they can only do it in this country and there are no safe routes for them to enter this country in order to do so?

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

Nannashirlz

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

They do not.

You're havering.

A country doesn't have to be "a war torn" to generate refugees.

Read this. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24014561

BTW, there are 600 refugees in my area.

Got anything else?

Apparently homes shown in Rwanda are not the ones the refugees will be using.
And don’t forget it is a refugee swap. We hand over someone who really wants to be in The UK , probably because of family or friend contacts and return we get Rwanda’s refugees who need medical help.
Oh and this will cost hundreds of pounds for up to 500 refugees sent there.
This is toe curlingly awful.

Nannashirlz

Government give them mobile phones out of our taxes and you only have to watch tv to see them tossing away paperwork and I wasn’t aware that Albanian was a war torn. How many live in your house or neighbor hood probably none I’m guessing. Maybe go down a street where they are and actually speak to ppl who do have to put up with it.

Nannashirlz
The let them all in brigade have no answers, just vague humanitarian ideas which are ridiculous especially when talking about Albanians.
Nothing works so far to stop all the illegal migration so hard measures are called for.These are not ‘poor’ refugees but mainly economic migrants who have thousands to spare to give to organised criminals to get them here.
It has to stop and anything is worth a try.

More havering.

Anyway....

There is no "let them all in brigade", except in your imagination, and alternative solutions that would actually work have been put forward again and again, both by the opposition and by many people here on GN.

Its obviously one of two things.

You either don't understand what is being said in plain English, or you are intentionally ignoring the truth because you prefer the performative cruelty, to actually solving the issue.

Which is it?

tell me how many countries you can enter without paperwork, no, I didn’t think so

all of them actually
I spent an hour in a Bulgarian police station and not allowed to leave because of a misunderstanding with my passport. That was pre them joining the EU.
We were turned back at the Hungary / Serbia border because they didn’t recognise our Green Card.

I don’t think it’s worthwhile answering any of your posts Volver3
All of them are contentious and many are just plain rude.

There is no "let them all in brigade", except in your imagination, and alternative solutions that would actually work have been put forward again and again, both by the opposition and by many people here on GN

These posters are not listening

MerylStreep

^tell me how many countries you can enter without paperwork, no, I didn’t think so^

all of them actually
I spent an hour in a Bulgarian police station and not allowed to leave because of a misunderstanding with my passport. That was pre them joining the EU.
We were turned back at the Hungary / Serbia border because they didn’t recognise our Green Card.

Were you claiming asylum?

Guess not.

www.amnesty.org.uk/right-asylum

It also includes the right not to be penalised for being in or entering a country without permission where this is necessary for them to seek and receive asylum.

Oreo

I don’t think it’s worthwhile answering any of your posts Volver3
All of them are contentious and many are just plain rude.

Volver just posts the truth. As opposed to some of the recent fantasies that have been posted.

You clearly have a problem with the truth.

annierob The point about Rwanda isn’t about us getting some of ‘theirs’ it’s about thinking if you enter the UK illegally you’ll be flown out to Rwanda and that’s that.Which if implemented properly would soon put a stop to boarding dinghies in France.

Oreo

annierob The point about Rwanda isn’t about us getting some of ‘theirs’ it’s about thinking if you enter the UK illegally you’ll be flown out to Rwanda and that’s that.Which if implemented properly would soon put a stop to boarding dinghies in France.

I refer you to my post at 14:43.