Braverman's propaganda

The most essential matter to address is the backlog of processing asylum claims, meaning people being housed in unsuitable accommodation and prohibited from working for a year or more.

The Institute for Government reported that- "In 2021, the UK had 14.9 cases in the asylum backlog per 10,000 population, more than Germany (13.0) and France (7.3), and just behind Spain (15.3). This is despite it receiving far fewer asylum applications per 10,000 people (8.4) than all three (13.8 for Spain, 17.9 for France and 23.0 for Germany)."

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/asylum-backlog#:~:text=Asylum%20applicants%20are%20also%20waiting,of%20cases%20in%20December%202017.

Since then the situation has been allowed to worsen. Civil servants dealing with asylum claims were downgraded, causing experienced staff to leave. Presumably this decision was made by government. The lower grade inexperienced staff now tasked with dealing with claims are far less productive so the backlog piles up. The money wasted on this absurd Rwanda scheme would have been far better spent on hiring and training staff to deal with the claims, most of which are valid,

jane1956

the illegals don't have to come here should stay in SAFE FRANCE if they don't want to go to Rwanda they can catch the next small boat back where they came from. Personally sick of the funding they get

Our PM, our present Home secretary and our last Home secretary are all the children of immigrants.
The expulsion of British-Indians from Uganda brought a huge number of people to this country. They were not permitted to bring out money. Yet 50 years on the children of these immigrants are successful in many areas. Why shouldn't this generation of immigrants have the same success in the future? Why isn't immigration a positive thing?
The Ugandan Indians www.asiansfromuganda.org.uk/chronology.php

Oh, and jane1956, please don't refer to human beings as the illegals.

According to the ONS net migration to the UK stood at 504000 for the year ending June 2022.

So why do an additional 45000 migrants without the correct paperwork cause such a backlog in processing applications?

I think it’s deliberate government policy to allow the UK population to expand through legal migration but without an adequate increase in essential services. Therefore medical, educational and health provision needs to be increased to accommodate the growing population as quickly as possible. So yes, point at this government but don’t forget to include total numbers not just the 45000 in the headlines.

Typo health should be housing

Who ARE "the illegals" as you so rudely put it Jane1956?

Oreo I'm sorry that you can't see the relevance of my comments.

Some of us think the term "illegal immigration" means nothing in the context of refugees.

This is the point.

In the early 2000s there were between 80,000 and 100,000 asylum applications each year, nearly twice as many as at the present time. The then government managed to deal with these without stirring the population up against them. And the UK managed to absorb them without any problem.

Just saying...

Oreo, This isn’t a thread for rational discussion I’m afraid, very biased. Lots of moaning but not a solution. Just like Keir.
I think whoever solves the problem gets the keys to No 10, whatever Gary says.

We are all biased Allsorts, including you.

The mistake you, (and the government) are making is in thinking that migration is the top issue on the agenda of the average elector, when it really isn’t. Once faith is lost in a government history shows that a change of government is inevitable, that’s where we are.

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

It's a vote winner, pure and simple. They are hoping that this plan will appeal to those who were leaping up and down with joy after the Brexshite vote "them furiners who tuk us jobs will be going 'ome!" It was embarrassing. I think most of them thought it would happen the following day ...

Lineker was absolutely right, this is exactly how the Nazis came to power - divided the nation against minority groups.

What is the point exactly of sending people to Rwanda and then receiving back other people? That bit hasn't been as well advertised.

Hate propaganda. Also doing it with the "economically inactive", like me, the disabled - want us back to work; mothers with young children - increasing free child places at pre-schools (but NOT increasing the funding for these nurseries etc so half of them will need to close)

More propaganda when Rishi stands there and states that he is helping the NHS crisis. It NEEDS to be sorted from the bottom up. More Social care = more freed bed spaces = A&E not as overwhelmed = Ambulances able to hand over to A&E and get to more calls. "Simples!" He promises £500m yet then decides to half that amount! This is only going to get far, far worse .....

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/22/nhs-crisis-existential-risk-for-the-government

Is everyone happy with paragraph 16? We have agreed to take a number of vulnerable refugees who cannot be settled in Rwanda. Is that another problem to be solved?

Lots of moaning but not a solution. Just like Keir.

Do you never read the thread before you comment, Allsorts?

*Labour*, specifically Yvette Cooper, have said that they condemn the people traffickers, the criminals that are making a fortune out of other people's fears and misery. She has also said that all people arriving here must be processed humanely, and efficiently and then permitted to work and contribute to the economy or returned from whence they came.

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/mutual-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-citizens-supported-by-up-to-84-of-brits-in-stunning-new-poll/

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

A recent poll shows that a massive 84% of British people are now in favour of mutal free movement with EU.

84%

What poll please Fleurpepper ?

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/mutual-free-movement-for-uk-and-eu-citizens-supported-by-up-to-84-of-brits-in-stunning-new-poll/

Thank you, I have had a look.

Parsley3

Is everyone happy with paragraph 16? We have agreed to take a number of vulnerable refugees who cannot be settled in Rwanda. Is that another problem to be solved?

Out of the frying pan….

Sunak appointed her - we have to fire at him too. She's despicable - what do we call him?

The point is to not allow people who are economic migrants to abuse the (admittedly outdated) system for refugees. None of this stops anyone claiming asylum or refugee status.

I also wonder what about the proposal that we take some Rwandan citizens in return? Is this still part of the plan, has it been shelved and if not who are we accepting?

Anyone think this just may be a consequence of Braverman's inflammatory language: www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-man-set-fire-after-29492654... BTW the headline is actually 'man set ON fire...'

£5.6 million pounds a day is being spent on housing refugees / boat people. It might be useful to remember that when you are waiting for your hip operation and the NHS doesn't have the moneyfor it. Not all immigrants are doctorsand nurses. Borders are there for a reason. We should be able to choose who enters Britain. Ukrainians? Yes. Hong Kongers, Afghanistani translators? Of course. People who NEED to come ? Yes. Those who travel through Europe where they are not being persecuted by the Taliban? No. WANTING to come is not the same as NEEDING to come. Would you open your home to someone who felt like they'd LIKE to have a bedroom, board and lodging? Go ahead. Me? No. We still have our lovely Ukrainian house guest, but that was our choice. Those who are saying we should allow everyone in should perhaps think of supporting someone in their own homes.....I bet, like us, most people on Gransnet have a spare bedroom.

I would be interested to hear from any politician or indeed, individual, who has a workable solution to the 51,000 refugees we are accommodating in hotels across the country, at £6 million + per day cost to taxpayers. Build housing for them perhaps? Of course not, we can’t do that for our present citizens, so not possible! Speed up massively the processing of their applications, (many of which may be spurious)? Oh sorry! A strike is happening with Border control and civil servants, isn’t it, so might be problems there! A TV programme the other day pointed out the unsuitability of much of the present hotel accommodation for all concerned. One was in the middle of a retirement village and golf course where the residents of said village were no longer able to use the facilities they had expected to be able to access. The refugee occupants had nothing to do all day as the nearest town was distant. I live in a seaside town where there are many hotels full of refugees, again with nothing to do. There are numerous local problems, one of which made national news. While we, like other countries, have a duty to help true refugees who arrive here from politically unsafe or war torn countries, I am at a loss to understand how the number of ‘refugees’ (often young males) from European countries which are deemed safe and who pass through numerous safe countries to reach our shores are classed as refugees at all. I volunteer in a sector that involves refugees from Ukraine and Afghanistan and there certainly is a distinction despite all the handwringing from champagne socialists such as Lineker et al. It is certainly becoming a huge problem which if not dealt with soon will impact every area of peoples lives, unless one is wealthy enough not to use nor need the social infrastructure which is failing in every area of this country in general and in this situation particularly. Answers on a postcard please?

And for those still advocating a welcome to all policy - do you have an upper limit? Or are you waiting until your grandchildren are the only ones in their class with English as their first language? Because that's what has happened to my grandchildren. And together with large class sizes, it has an impact on their education. I have a number of good friends who were born in Africa, South Korea etc. I'm really glad that we live in a country with many nationalities. We are the richer for it. But borders are vital for every country. I'm not a huge fan of Suella Braverman, but until someone comes up with a better plan, I'll be backing her.