Boris Johnson

Johnson's behaviour was unacceptable.
Johnson lied to the HoC
Johnson has been tried by parliamentary procedure.
Nobody, but nobody is above the rule of law.even if a few deluded individuals think that getting Brexit done gives you carte blanche to break the law, even after you set it.
The members of the committee were doing their job.
You paid for Johnson's defence, so did I, but unwillingly.
I did not break lockdown rules.
Stop judging the rest of us based on what you find acceptable, most intelligent people know a liar when we see one and care a great deal about democracy.

Casdon

Oreo

Sandelf I know lots of people who broke lockdown rules and partied, and there were huge weddings that went on under the radar and huge funerals.
There were also some hospital staff who partied and posted pics online.Neighbours continued with BBQ’s in their back gardens.
It went on.
Boris and Number 10 officials had to show they were squeaky clean tho, as leading the Nation.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, even if everybody you knew was partying - they were all breaking the law, weren’t they?

I’m unable to comprehend why people think the government who set the law for everybody should deem it acceptable to blatantly break it themselves.

They were breaking the law.
Same for Boris and pals in Downing St.
What part of my post don’t people understand, it’s clear enough.
The government had to toe the line even when many people in the country didn’t.
The huge weddings that went on were Hindu, Muslim and also Jewish and were reported on tv.Ditto some funerals.
Some were fined and some got away with it.
NHS staff had a Christmas party and a friend who’s a nurse was part of it and showed me pics on her phone.Other posters on here mention nurses doing the same.That doesn’t mean every nurse in the country was doing it but it went on.
Same for neighbours and their back garden BBQ’s.
No I didn’t shop them, it’s not 1984.

Arto1s

Well said, Urmstongran Such holier than thou comments on here.

Did you break the law and had parties then?

Yes indeed Varian - the Russian links are in so many ways even more worrying- especially as he was Foreign Secretary when he visited Lebedev in Italy, and went against all official advice, and refuse to be accompanied by his brief. Massively serious- especially now in view of interference with the Brexit vote, and of course, the war in Ukraine, with Johnson up to his neck in it. Is he being blackmailed- was he filmed when so drunk. With 'ladies' being provided for his entertainment too.

It's just a guess but I think it likely that almost all of the posters on Gransnet, indeed almost all of the UK population, are more moral and more honest and more considerate for others, than Boris Johnson.

That does not make us "holier than thou". Only better people than Johnson.

Well said, Urmstongran Such holier than thou comments on here.

The most shocking party attended by Boris Johnson was when he was Foreign Secretary, and immediately after the Russian chemical attack in Salisbury. attended a high level NATO summit, then went from there, without any of his officials, to party at the Italian villa of his friend Evgeny Lebedev, where he met his father, Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB agent and where it looks likely that he was compromised.

His dishevelled appearance the next morning at Puglia Airport should have prompted questions.

Shortly after Evegeny Lebedev was made a member of The House of Lords, against the advise of the scrutiny committee. Why?

www.facebook.com/JonDanzigWrites/videos/196645966403866/

Johnson has always thought of himself as being above the law. He even made it clear that he wanted to change the law of the land but people still voted for him. To be fair to him, apart from pretending to be everybody’s mate: the sort of MP that working class people could happily muddle along with, he’s never really hidden his disdain for the law. His father is the same.

It seems most of us agree that he is a liar- bar 2. And that he let us all down very badly, at the worst possible time.

But will this turn out to be minor, as compared to being a probable traitor. The Russian report is stillb being suppressed and dodged, even though we know Putin and allies had such a strong desire to destroy the powerful EU, and hide their assets in the UK. Is Johnson partly to blame for the war in Ukraine, indeed.

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Did any of the govts broadcasts say that work events were perfectly acceptable??? Don't think so.

is it any different from the police applying the law while harbouring rapists, mysoginists racists and homophobic members.

In the case of the police the Casey Report was commissioned and we are all as one in saying that what is happening is utterly unacceptable and must change.

If the police are not above the law, why should an ex-prime Minister be so?

Oreo

Sandelf I know lots of people who broke lockdown rules and partied, and there were huge weddings that went on under the radar and huge funerals.
There were also some hospital staff who partied and posted pics online.Neighbours continued with BBQ’s in their back gardens.
It went on.
Boris and Number 10 officials had to show they were squeaky clean tho, as leading the Nation.

And what did you do about it? Did you phone the police? Tiny minority of people behaved badly- I would have not hesitated in the least in 'shopping' them. Did you?

And there is your evidence of this?

Totally irrelevant anyhow, as these people were probably not the ones who had imposed the rules on the rest of us.

Isn’t it a bit like saying it’s ok for the police to break the law whilst at the same time as apparently upholding it? Would that be acceptable?

Oreo

Sandelf I know lots of people who broke lockdown rules and partied, and there were huge weddings that went on under the radar and huge funerals.
There were also some hospital staff who partied and posted pics online.Neighbours continued with BBQ’s in their back gardens.
It went on.
Boris and Number 10 officials had to show they were squeaky clean tho, as leading the Nation.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, even if everybody you knew was partying - they were all breaking the law, weren’t they?

I’m unable to comprehend why people think the government who set the law for everybody should deem it acceptable to blatantly break it themselves.

NotSpaghetti

sandelf

Such a waste of time and money (all these folk earn a king's ransom). I know SO many people who ignored the guidelines - 'you're only 70 once' etc that I really don't care any more. There is useful and important work they could be doing.

I'm another who doesn't know anyone at all who ignored the guidelines sandelf.

You maybe don't care anymore but others do.
And it's not "either-or".
Useful and important work can still go on.
And frankly this is important.

I don't know anyone who broke the guidelines, either.

I'm not terribly sure that I actually believe in these 'huge weddings and huge funerals' that went on under the radar. 'Nor partying hospital staff posting on facebook. But there you go...

sandelf

Such a waste of time and money (all these folk earn a king's ransom). I know SO many people who ignored the guidelines - 'you're only 70 once' etc that I really don't care any more. There is useful and important work they could be doing.

I'm another who doesn't know anyone at all who ignored the guidelines sandelf.

You maybe don't care anymore but others do.
And it's not "either-or".
Useful and important work can still go on.
And frankly this is important.

Not sure what you are trying to say Oreo. Are you supporting Johnson here?

Those who broke the rules were a tiny minority- and they didn't make said rules!

Sandelf I know lots of people who broke lockdown rules and partied, and there were huge weddings that went on under the radar and huge funerals.
There were also some hospital staff who partied and posted pics online.Neighbours continued with BBQ’s in their back gardens.
It went on.
Boris and Number 10 officials had to show they were squeaky clean tho, as leading the Nation.

MayBee70

He seemed to be surrounded by people helping him. One was on his phone: why was that allowed?

Why not?
He wasn’t in a criminal court.

NanKate

I’m with you Urm 😉 I think we are the only two. Over and out.

Och no. Mad Nads, 30p Lee and Rees Mogg are with you.

Lovely company.

I’m with you Urm 😉 I think we are the only two. Over and out.

Reputation? Honesty? This is Johnson - we knew who he was when we voted. Only the 'very unwise' could have hoped he would somehow become an honorable man with a conscience.

Did you vote for him, sandelf, knowing all that?

(and please don't anyone leap in and tell me that you vote for your own MP. I think everyone who reads this will know exactly what I mean)

JOB on Johnson disecting the narcissist prayer and how it applies to Johnson

youtube.com/watch?v=f6iMqZ_xclY&feature=share

I do wish people would learn how to quote other people's posts, it would make life so much easier...

Anyway, example below...

Reputation? Honesty? This is Johnson - we knew who he was when we voted. Only the 'very unwise' could have hoped he would somehow become an honorable man with a conscience.

Many of us knew what he was like which is why we wouldn't have voted for him in a month of Sundays. So now it's time to show everybody what kind of man he is and get him out of the House of Commons, so regaining our reputation. That's what's happening, do you understand that?

sandelf

Such a waste of time and money (all these folk earn a king's ransom). I know SO many people who ignored the guidelines - 'you're only 70 once' etc that I really don't care any more. There is useful and important work they could be doing.

I don't know anybody who ignored the rules. Nobody at all. Saying "everybody ignored the guidelines" is just gaslighting and just plain wrong.

Defending the reputation and honesty of our democracy is quite "useful and important work".

Reputation? Honesty? This is Johnson - we knew who he was when we voted. Only the 'very unwise' could have hoped he would somehow become an honorable man with a conscience.

sandelf

Such a waste of time and money (all these folk earn a king's ransom). I know SO many people who ignored the guidelines - 'you're only 70 once' etc that I really don't care any more. There is useful and important work they could be doing.

I don't know anybody who ignored the rules. Nobody at all. Saying "everybody ignored the guidelines" is just gaslighting and just plain wrong.

Defending the reputation and honesty of our democracy is quite "useful and important work".