Asylum seekers unhappy at Stratford- upon- Avon Hotel

Since WW2 waves of refugees have come to the UK, I remember them housed in barracks in the 1960s, the one close to us was a former POW camp, they were a mix of Italian , German, Polish and Czech families the children went to local schools, men found work, women mostly looked after the family. They were gradually housed and the camps closed, during the 1970s now the only clue is in the names

Funny how words which are similar can have such a different meaning and how propaganda is used.
Most asylum seekers do want to work and want to make a home for themselves. It's probably easier for them if they are in big cities which already have a network of support through which they can make connections and do voluntary work. They would prefer to have paid work and to support themselves.
Most people think they should be able to do so.
Why then does the government not give them permission to work? Stirring up unrest???
180,000 signed a petition www.google.com/search?q=lift+the+ban&oq=Lift+the+ban&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j0i512l4j69i60l3.3934j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

MaizieD

I don't think any of you would be happy stuck in a hotel, in a foreign country, for weeks on end with nothing to do, very little money and no prospect of getting out in the near future.

The relief at getting to a safe country can't buoy these people up for ever. Then there is the stress of waiting months, even years, for a decision on their application for asylum.

The Home Office needs to get its finger out...

Nobody forced them to come here!

Where do you think they should have gone Primrose?

Hell in a handcart?

Are you Gullis in a frock?

Primrose53

MaizieD

I don't think any of you would be happy stuck in a hotel, in a foreign country, for weeks on end with nothing to do, very little money and no prospect of getting out in the near future.

The relief at getting to a safe country can't buoy these people up for ever. Then there is the stress of waiting months, even years, for a decision on their application for asylum.

The Home Office needs to get its finger out...

Nobody forced them to come here!

Yes war and famine did force them to come here. People like to live near where they grew up it takes a lot to force them to travel hundreds of miles with great risk to another country.

Grammaretto

I know the situation is dire now and reminds me of a time back in 1972.when we were asked by our local Quaker Meeting to invite a refugee family to our home for the day.

These were Ugandan Asian families, who were expelled by the dictator Idi Amin.
They were mostly family groups being housed at Barracks waiting for papers to be processed, unable to work and suffering similar hostility by some locals.

The ones who came to us were vegan and had been living mainly on boiled cabbage.
I gave the woman who spoke no English, free run of my kitchen and the 8 of us were treated a few hours later to the best Indian meal I think I have ever had!

This family quickly found work and lodgings in London.
Years later I was teaching pottery in Edinburgh and one of my students was a medical student whose family were refugees back in 1972 when he was a baby...

The difference is the people who were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin held British passports and were perfectly entitled to come here! They were also mainly very well educated, professional people with a strong work ethic. Leicester today is packed with thriving businesses that Ugandan Asians started with absolutely nothing in the early 70s.

I lived and worked in Leicester then and that city took in more than any other place in the UK. I was involved with finding them employment, visiting schools and homes. Many were housed in old terraced properties which were awaiting demolition. It was a fascinating and rewarding time and I kept in touch with several families for many years and ate with them and attended family celebrations like weddings.

Massive difference between them and people coming here illegally from safe countries who have thrown away their passports and who we know nothing about.

I visited relatives in Leicester recently and was shown a very posh country hotel which is expecting migrants. It stands down a long, flower lined drive and is stunning. Local people have had their functions and weddings cancelled so migrants can live there!

Primrose53

Grammaretto

I know the situation is dire now and reminds me of a time back in 1972.when we were asked by our local Quaker Meeting to invite a refugee family to our home for the day.

These were Ugandan Asian families, who were expelled by the dictator Idi Amin.
They were mostly family groups being housed at Barracks waiting for papers to be processed, unable to work and suffering similar hostility by some locals.

The ones who came to us were vegan and had been living mainly on boiled cabbage.
I gave the woman who spoke no English, free run of my kitchen and the 8 of us were treated a few hours later to the best Indian meal I think I have ever had!

This family quickly found work and lodgings in London.
Years later I was teaching pottery in Edinburgh and one of my students was a medical student whose family were refugees back in 1972 when he was a baby...

The difference is the people who were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin held British passports and were perfectly entitled to come here! They were also mainly very well educated, professional people with a strong work ethic. Leicester today is packed with thriving businesses that Ugandan Asians started with absolutely nothing in the early 70s.

I lived and worked in Leicester then and that city took in more than any other place in the UK. I was involved with finding them employment, visiting schools and homes. Many were housed in old terraced properties which were awaiting demolition. It was a fascinating and rewarding time and I kept in touch with several families for many years and ate with them and attended family celebrations like weddings.

Massive difference between them and people coming here illegally from safe countries who have thrown away their passports and who we know nothing about.

I visited relatives in Leicester recently and was shown a very posh country hotel which is expecting migrants. It stands down a long, flower lined drive and is stunning. Local people have had their functions and weddings cancelled so migrants can live there!

It's a common misconception that all the Ugandan Asians had British citizenship. They didn't. Those stripped of their Ugandan citizenship were granted UK citizenship.
The numbers were huge.
Thousands of Asians left Uganda with no property and only the permitted £55 in cash each. About 27,000 Ugandan Asians came to the UK (Parekh, 1997), while smaller numbers went to Canada, India and Kenya. While many Asians in Uganda already held British citizenship, there were others who were granted British citizenship after they lost Ugandan citizenship.
In 1968 there were 345,000 Asians resident in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Malawi, and Uganda. By 1984, according to the Minority Rights Group (1990), their numbers had fallen to about 85,000, which included 40,000 in Kenya, 20,000 in Tanzania, 3,000 in Zambia, 1,000 in Malawi, and 1,000 in Uganda.
Correspondingly, in 1971 the number of Asians from Africa who were resident in the UK was about 45,000. Following the emigration from African countries, according to the 1981 census, there were about 180,000 East African Asians in the UK (Anwar, 1998: p.5)
Why can't we do it now???

volver3

Where do you think they should have gone Primrose?

Hell in a handcart?

Are you Gullis in a frock?

Good point. Stayed in their own countries and died, presumably.

My asylum seeker friend was delighted when she was allowed to work. She was a qualified teacher in her country and now works here as a teaching assistant. Lucky school, getting a qualified teacher for the pittance teaching assistants get paid. Anyway, my friend is just delighted to be working in education again.

The legitimate asylum seekers are very unlucky in that they are now mixed together with illegal economic immigrants and they have all arrived when the native population are having a difficult time themselves with the results of Brexit, lockdown and high inflation. The children's services, waiting lists and care of the elderly who have paid taxes all their lives are in an appalling state. I wonder how many economic migrants would take a ticket home if they were offered it now. Strange to come to an island where you can't just move on if you change your mind.

The legitimate asylum seekers are very unlucky in that they are now mixed together with illegal economic immigrants

How do you think its worked in the past? People arrive, some get their asylum requests granted and some get sent home because their requests are denied. Honestly, people are brainwashed. And nobody is "illegal".

I live in a very rural area of France and we had some Ukranian families housed in a nearby small town. I help to run a voluntary library in the town and we made our facilities available to the families so they could socialise and have some French lessons. After a while the families moved away to bigger cities, it was too difficult for them to live in a rural area with no public transport etc. It was also not easy finding people fluent in Ukranian/French. A few people did find work but not many. Until I helped with this I didn't realise the extent of the difficulties faced by immigrants.

Ungrateful bunch of lucky moaning sods.
Let them swop places with the homeless or families in mouldy homes or over crowded homes.
Unbelievable.

Where has my post gone?

I wrote a lengthy post about how I worked with Ugandan Asians who were kicked out of Uganda in the early 70s. I said that they were perfectly entitled to be here as they held British passports and I said how hard they worked to make a life for themselves.

There was absolutely nothing in my post that could offend anybody and was in reply to a post by another forum member who also remembered them coming here.

So why was it removed?

Have now found my post. I’m new so apologies! Can you edit posts?

timetogo2016

Ungrateful bunch of lucky moaning sods.
Let them swop places with the homeless or families in mouldy homes or over crowded homes.
Unbelievable.

How convenient that the Mail and whoever else (only the Mail when I googled it, but there you go...) have discovered this just in time to stir the pot when the government are talking about moving all the asylum seekers to camps.

The standard of journalism we are talking about...

The article features a quote from families and the son of a female asylum seeker then there's a picture of a local resident who says they're all men.

If you are taken in by this propaganda be aware that the government and the client MSM take you for a fool.

Tony Benn on why the government wants you to be frightened.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNo7i1AFio
It's all about control.

But Nigel Farage told everyone that if they voted leave it would put an end to all this. He must have been lying

Primrose53

Have now found my post. I’m new so apologies! Can you edit posts?

No, you can’t edit posts Primrose53.

Glorianny

Tony Benn on why the government wants you to be frightened.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNo7i1AFio
It's all about control.

It's also about trying to not lose the next General Election quite as badly as the polls predict. It's extraordinarily reminiscent of Farage and the Leave vote campaigns whipping up anti immigrant sentiments just before the EU referendum.

Braverman's Home Office is incompetent. She should be sacked and the Office broken up into manageable parts. The backlog is disgraceful and asylum seekers should be allowed to work. We need young workers in this country. Sending them to Rwanda is not only immoral, it makes no economic sense.

I've just read your post primrose and I understand that the situation isn't exactly the same.
That was 50 years ago.
However waves of immigrants have come to our shores over the centuries and been integrated and help to make our population the rich mix it is.

My gt grandmother left London in a sailing boat in 1866 along with thousands of others to begin a new life in NZ.
She arrived, after a perilous journey, with very little and was helped to find work by the port authorities.

She never returned though her life there wasn't easy. Her grandson, my dad, came here.

Glorianny

Primrose53

Grammaretto

I know the situation is dire now and reminds me of a time back in 1972.when we were asked by our local Quaker Meeting to invite a refugee family to our home for the day.

These were Ugandan Asian families, who were expelled by the dictator Idi Amin.
They were mostly family groups being housed at Barracks waiting for papers to be processed, unable to work and suffering similar hostility by some locals.

The ones who came to us were vegan and had been living mainly on boiled cabbage.
I gave the woman who spoke no English, free run of my kitchen and the 8 of us were treated a few hours later to the best Indian meal I think I have ever had!

This family quickly found work and lodgings in London.
Years later I was teaching pottery in Edinburgh and one of my students was a medical student whose family were refugees back in 1972 when he was a baby...

The difference is the people who were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin held British passports and were perfectly entitled to come here! They were also mainly very well educated, professional people with a strong work ethic. Leicester today is packed with thriving businesses that Ugandan Asians started with absolutely nothing in the early 70s.

I lived and worked in Leicester then and that city took in more than any other place in the UK. I was involved with finding them employment, visiting schools and homes. Many were housed in old terraced properties which were awaiting demolition. It was a fascinating and rewarding time and I kept in touch with several families for many years and ate with them and attended family celebrations like weddings.

Massive difference between them and people coming here illegally from safe countries who have thrown away their passports and who we know nothing about.

I visited relatives in Leicester recently and was shown a very posh country hotel which is expecting migrants. It stands down a long, flower lined drive and is stunning. Local people have had their functions and weddings cancelled so migrants can live there!

It's a common misconception that all the Ugandan Asians had British citizenship. They didn't. Those stripped of their Ugandan citizenship were granted UK citizenship.
The numbers were huge.
Thousands of Asians left Uganda with no property and only the permitted £55 in cash each. About 27,000 Ugandan Asians came to the UK (Parekh, 1997), while smaller numbers went to Canada, India and Kenya. While many Asians in Uganda already held British citizenship, there were others who were granted British citizenship after they lost Ugandan citizenship.
In 1968 there were 345,000 Asians resident in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Malawi, and Uganda. By 1984, according to the Minority Rights Group (1990), their numbers had fallen to about 85,000, which included 40,000 in Kenya, 20,000 in Tanzania, 3,000 in Zambia, 1,000 in Malawi, and 1,000 in Uganda.
Correspondingly, in 1971 the number of Asians from Africa who were resident in the UK was about 45,000. Following the emigration from African countries, according to the 1981 census, there were about 180,000 East African Asians in the UK (Anwar, 1998: p.5)
Why can't we do it now???

I am speaking from personal experience of working with Ugandan Asians on arrival in the UK. I had to check their paperwork and passports and they all had British passports. Some years before they were told to leave they were asked whether they wanted Ugandan or British passports and they nearly all chose British. Why do you think there is misconception?

Before they were thrown out they had their property, vehicles and valuable stolen from them so they literally came with about £50 and a small suitcase. many told me that as they received news that Amin’s soldiers were on their way, they dug holes and buried as much of their valuables as they could and hoped that one day they could go back and retrieve them.

saw on tv recently that the nazis stole church bells from poland, to melt down for armaments.
they also scoured the country for gold and silver plate, ancient relics and artefacts.
some priests held funerals and buried the objects.
keeping careful coded records.
which i thought v resourceful.
one parish managed to find their bell, after the war, in a bell cemetery in hamburg, and brought it back rejoicing.

Primrose53

Glorianny

Primrose53

Grammaretto

I know the situation is dire now and reminds me of a time back in 1972.when we were asked by our local Quaker Meeting to invite a refugee family to our home for the day.

These were Ugandan Asian families, who were expelled by the dictator Idi Amin.
They were mostly family groups being housed at Barracks waiting for papers to be processed, unable to work and suffering similar hostility by some locals.

The ones who came to us were vegan and had been living mainly on boiled cabbage.
I gave the woman who spoke no English, free run of my kitchen and the 8 of us were treated a few hours later to the best Indian meal I think I have ever had!

This family quickly found work and lodgings in London.
Years later I was teaching pottery in Edinburgh and one of my students was a medical student whose family were refugees back in 1972 when he was a baby...

The difference is the people who were kicked out of Uganda by Idi Amin held British passports and were perfectly entitled to come here! They were also mainly very well educated, professional people with a strong work ethic. Leicester today is packed with thriving businesses that Ugandan Asians started with absolutely nothing in the early 70s.

I lived and worked in Leicester then and that city took in more than any other place in the UK. I was involved with finding them employment, visiting schools and homes. Many were housed in old terraced properties which were awaiting demolition. It was a fascinating and rewarding time and I kept in touch with several families for many years and ate with them and attended family celebrations like weddings.

Massive difference between them and people coming here illegally from safe countries who have thrown away their passports and who we know nothing about.

I visited relatives in Leicester recently and was shown a very posh country hotel which is expecting migrants. It stands down a long, flower lined drive and is stunning. Local people have had their functions and weddings cancelled so migrants can live there!

It's a common misconception that all the Ugandan Asians had British citizenship. They didn't. Those stripped of their Ugandan citizenship were granted UK citizenship.
The numbers were huge.
Thousands of Asians left Uganda with no property and only the permitted £55 in cash each. About 27,000 Ugandan Asians came to the UK (Parekh, 1997), while smaller numbers went to Canada, India and Kenya. While many Asians in Uganda already held British citizenship, there were others who were granted British citizenship after they lost Ugandan citizenship.
In 1968 there were 345,000 Asians resident in Kenya, Tanzania, Zambia, Malawi, and Uganda. By 1984, according to the Minority Rights Group (1990), their numbers had fallen to about 85,000, which included 40,000 in Kenya, 20,000 in Tanzania, 3,000 in Zambia, 1,000 in Malawi, and 1,000 in Uganda.
Correspondingly, in 1971 the number of Asians from Africa who were resident in the UK was about 45,000. Following the emigration from African countries, according to the 1981 census, there were about 180,000 East African Asians in the UK (Anwar, 1998: p.5)
Why can't we do it now???

I am speaking from personal experience of working with Ugandan Asians on arrival in the UK. I had to check their paperwork and passports and they all had British passports. Some years before they were told to leave they were asked whether they wanted Ugandan or British passports and they nearly all chose British. Why do you think there is misconception?

Before they were thrown out they had their property, vehicles and valuable stolen from them so they literally came with about £50 and a small suitcase. many told me that as they received news that Amin’s soldiers were on their way, they dug holes and buried as much of their valuables as they could and hoped that one day they could go back and retrieve them.

If you read the post. Some of the Ugandan Indians had Ugandan citizenship, but were stripped of that. They were then given British citizenship, so they may well have arrived with British passports but it was only given to them to enable them to enter the country.
A similar situation might be if we went to one of the refugee camps and gave out thousands of British passports to certain residents.
Now I'd be entirely in favour of that but many would object. But we did it then.