Asylum seekers unhappy at Stratford- upon- Avon Hotel

Oh no. I can take a lot but I can't take anybody telling that Mone is really OK and we should leave her alone. 🤪

And "how many have you housed?" isn't the killer blow you think it is. 🤣

How many ex-servicemen and homeless people do you house?

volver3

Forsythia

Not baffling to me MaizieD. How many have you housed as a matter of interest? How many do you have interaction with day to day? Never a true picture emerges does it. Is your job dependant on the continued client base? What drives you to want these migrants, genuine or otherwise, in this country?

Humanity?

How many have you housed Volver? How often do you interact with them on a daily basis? How would you feel if you had a daughter accosted by these men, not used to our way of life, bored stiff with nothing to do? Let’s have a true picture from you too. Humanity has nothing to do with it. Why not give up your home to migrants and feel even more virtuous while you do so.
As for Michelle Mone, she’s another self made woman who earned her own money through hard work. I’m sure you’ll have a problem with that too. As to whether she has a criminal intent and run off with money as you claim, she will be prosecuted.

You know they're not allowed to work by the government, right? You know its not their fault? Do you blame the government?

Glorianny

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

It's quite simple Forsythia. If there was a clear, competent, speedy assessment process. If asylum seekers were permitted to work whilst their application was processed there wouldn't be a problem. They would be out at work and paying taxes.

As for wanting a house with a trampoline in the garden I thought that was the sort of migrant we wanted. Ones with aspirations who will contribute to the economy and society. Like the family of our own dear PM

I agree with you Glorianny. They should all be working, it should be compulsory. No ifs or buts about it. Only last night on Countryfile there were salad growers in Lee complaining they couldn’t get workers, will have to shut down etc. these individuals should all be working and contributing, paid or voluntarily while they are housed and fed in the UK.

As for Rishi Sunak’s kids I’ve not any idea if they own a trampoline or not but if they do he would have paid for it through his or his wife’s earnings. He isn’t demanding it as a right and that others should be paying for along with a big house to put it in, this was quoted by the migrant interviewed.

I often agree with a lot of your comments. On this, we must politely accept we disagree.

Calendargirl

Wonder how many properties could be built with the millions being spent daily on hotel accommodation?

They could then be used to house asylum seekers and people on the housing lists.

Many fewer than could be built with the money Michele Mone ran off with.

Forsythia

Not baffling to me MaizieD. How many have you housed as a matter of interest? How many do you have interaction with day to day? Never a true picture emerges does it. Is your job dependant on the continued client base? What drives you to want these migrants, genuine or otherwise, in this country?

Humanity?

Wonder how many properties could be built with the millions being spent daily on hotel accommodation?

They could then be used to house asylum seekers and people on the housing lists.

Not baffling to me MaizieD. How many have you housed as a matter of interest? How many do you have interaction with day to day? Never a true picture emerges does it. Is your job dependant on the continued client base? What drives you to want these migrants, genuine or otherwise, in this country?

It's quite simple Forsythia.

You would think so, wouldn't you? But it appears to be completely baffling to some posters...

Sorry to be snippy this morning, but some of the posts on here are just vile...

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

It's quite simple Forsythia. If there was a clear, competent, speedy assessment process. If asylum seekers were permitted to work whilst their application was processed there wouldn't be a problem. They would be out at work and paying taxes.

As for wanting a house with a trampoline in the garden I thought that was the sort of migrant we wanted. Ones with aspirations who will contribute to the economy and society. Like the family of our own dear PM

It’s the Daily Mail’s job to hunt out those who are dissatisfied with their treatment and publish it. They make money by doing that and they know what they publish will be spread, even by those who don’t believe it. QED.
All media including newspapers, know they’ll get more attention by publishing things that they think others are getting wrong.
It’s easy to say what should be happening; what the government should be doing and what the media shouldn’t
I watched a program about people who were actually doing something for refugees/asylum seekers.
Other than dealing with language problems of new arrivals in school, I’m not really doing anything.
What are GN’s doing?

Whenever anyone uses a phrase like "so called charities" they've immediately lost the argument.

I don't support unfettered immigration to this country and I'm not angered by the woman who wants her child to have a normal life. You'd have to be a very odd person to be angry about that.

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I thought about trying to write a reasoned response to this, but is it even worth it?

Solutions to the current problems have been proposed time and time again by people who can see past the Daily Mail rhetoric that's designed to stir up hatred. But the haters just glaze over them, or don't even bother to read them and continue to rant from the Daily Mail script.

I can only pray that they are a minority in the UK...

Whitewavemark2

The Tories have been taking lessons from the latest BBC historical drama and decided that prison ships are the way to go except they are calling them “ferries” - I suppose it sounds as if the poor b……rs are going somewhere.

They've done this before, to 'solve' a prison overcrowding problem. Mr M worked for a logistics and shipping company in the '90s that provided and managed the 'ferries'. (He had nothing at all to do with that sector, I hasten to add). I think it was a shortlived experiment...

The Tories have been taking lessons from the latest BBC historical drama and decided that prison ships are the way to go except they are calling them “ferries” - I suppose it sounds as if the poor b……rs are going somewhere.

volver3

Forsythia

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

Oh, my heart is broken.

Not. 😉

Likewise.

Forsythia

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

Oh, my heart is broken.

Not. 😉

DiamondLily

volver3

DiamondLily

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

So all these homeless people that we could be spending money on and putting up in hotels - the government has decided to hassle them have they? Give them a hard time?

When will people see that the reason we have homeless people on the street and lack of services isn't that the money's being spent on asylum seekers, its that the government doesn't want to help them?

I seriously cannot see the morality with hassling the genuine homeless - what in earth is the point of moving them from doorway to doorway, and threaten to prosecute them? 🤔

We have a chronic affordable housing problem in this country, especially in places like London, and the whole thing is becoming untenable.

I don't know what the answer is - but I do feel sorry for those who are genuinely homeless.

Perhaps this useless government could think of ways to help them - and not just hassle them, making their life harder. 🙄

Wouldn't you think that stopping the sale of council housing and starting a programme of building more, would be logical, since we have a huge affordable housing problem? Also putting in a system that limits private rents (rent control) and makes claiming housing costs easier for the poor.

But the Tories have no intention of helping refugees, the homeless or the poor. Instead, they're giving tax cuts to the wealthy and throwing money (billions upon billions) at friends and family.

volver3

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

I don’t care about you and that’s a fact. I know I’m not alone in that either.

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

To be fair, private hoteliers are also raking it in from the government. They are making much more money than they did before, because the government are paying an inflated rate:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234

volver3

DiamondLily

According to reports out today, the government are giving police new powers to move on (and hassle), our homeless/rough sleepers, under this latest new anti-social behaviour crackdown.

If anyone is unhappy in a hotel, perhaps they could just swap with someone that's stuck in a shop doorway. I'm sure some of them would welcome being in a hotel.🙄

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/26/rishi-sunak-get-tough-anti-social-behaviour/

So all these homeless people that we could be spending money on and putting up in hotels - the government has decided to hassle them have they? Give them a hard time?

When will people see that the reason we have homeless people on the street and lack of services isn't that the money's being spent on asylum seekers, its that the government doesn't want to help them?

I seriously cannot see the morality with hassling the genuine homeless - what in earth is the point of moving them from doorway to doorway, and threaten to prosecute them? 🤔

We have a chronic affordable housing problem in this country, especially in places like London, and the whole thing is becoming untenable.

I don't know what the answer is - but I do feel sorry for those who are genuinely homeless.

Perhaps this useless government could think of ways to help them - and not just hassle them, making their life harder. 🙄

Forsythia

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

I expect there's quite a lot you don't care about Forsythia.

We give much less foreign aid than we did (the Tory government cut it back), and I was shocked to hear that the cost of accommodating refugees comes out of the reduced amount we used to give, all because the government cannot (or will not) get its act together and assess asylum seekers.

And as for the issue of not caring about people who are homeless here, just about everyone I know cares about them too!

We have a brilliant team of volunteers cooking for and helping homeless people, so that they all get at least one proper meal a day ( I cook once a week); at the same time we have a group helping refugees with a charity shop.

There is so much integration between these two groups and many of us volunteer for both. For instance, the shop is a collecting point for warm clothes etc. for the camps in Calais. We get large sizes which are not suitable for refugees, and pass them on to the other group to help keep people warm and dry here too. The shop is also a collecting point for food just like the supermarkets have.

We all care EQUALLY for people in need, wherever they are for a very simple reason. We and they are ALL PEOPLE!

I’ve said this before on here and been attacked by the usual suspects but asylum seekers and migrants are big business. How many of these posting in here in favour are housing refugees in their own home or local area? Lawyers, so called charities like Care for Calais, migrant support groups, interpreters, the hotel chains who’ve sold out etc etc ….. all these would no longer be needed if abuse of the system was clamped down on.
As for the ones in the Daily Mail saying they want a big house, trampoline in the garden etc it’s the sense of entitlement that angers those of us who do not support unfettered immigration into this country.
If that makes me an unfeeling racist according to Volver, MaizieD and their supporters I really do not care!

Agreed Katie59