Rotten pork

Right full figures.

In store supermarket 55%
In store local supermarket 12%
On line supermarket 12%
Butchers 8%
On line specialist 3%
Other 3%
Rest don’t know

Jan 2023

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

OK.

You Gov

Jan 2023

Meat from supermarkets 55%

Meat from butchers 8%

Other figures are available

Hope that helps.

What is the other 37%, then?

The population of my local area is 12,000+

We have 3 independent butchers shops within it. All well used. But I'm really wondering if that is sufficient to provide enough meat for this size of population. Does anyone have any idea?

I’ll have a look

M0nica

Katie59 So it has absolutely nothing to do with restoraive farming that aims at putting the welfare of the animals and restoring the soil at the centre of farming methods, just government gobbledgook used to hide indusrial farming behind a screen of greenwsh.

Animal welfare is well taken care of with Red Tractor and Supermarket inspections, anyone proved to be breaking rules either get fined, jailed or looses the contract.

As I said Environmental enhancements, everything is micro managed now, rotations, fertilizer, chemicals, wildlife provision and I almost forgot, food production too.

Katie59 So it has absolutely nothing to do with restoraive farming that aims at putting the welfare of the animals and restoring the soil at the centre of farming methods, just government gobbledgook used to hide indusrial farming behind a screen of greenwsh.

Whitewavemark2

OK.

You Gov

Jan 2023

Meat from supermarkets 55%

Meat from butchers 8%

Other figures are available

Hope that helps.

What is the other 37%, then?

The population of my local area is 12,000+

We have 3 independent butchers shops within it. All well used. But I'm really wondering if that is sufficient to provide enough meat for this size of population. Does anyone have any idea?

Thanks, much lower than I thought actually.

What about the other 37%???

OK.

You Gov

Jan 2023

Meat from supermarkets 55%

Meat from butchers 8%

Other figures are available

Hope that helps.

M0nica

What is ' a sustainable practice and consolidation'?

Consolidation has meant because of cheap food small farmers have not been able to make a living and the land has been taken over by larger units.

More “Sustainable” because DEFRA require land to be used for environmental enhancements

177 people have died worldwide (6.5 people per year) in the last 27 years, of v CJD (the CJD arising from BSE in cattle in the UK in 1986). It's a very distinctive clinical course so it's unlikely that cases have been missed. It could have been so much worse & the upside is that it did draw public attention to food standards.

Not to do with badgers, I think the reference was to the increase in bovine TB when ban on killing badgers was extended. (unforeseen consequence - if it was a consequence)

What is ' a sustainable practice and consolidation'?

My agro-engineer tells me, numbers to butcher shops, family farms, and farm shops decline in direct correlation to better sustainable practices and consolidation. Could be wrong, of course.

Over the last 25 years, the number of independent butchers in the UK has reduced by 60% to approximately 6,000 (Office for National Statistics), largely due to the increasing influence of large supermarket chains.

Germanshepherdsmum

Correction - you said ‘the vast majority’ - even more of a sweeping statement.

Well I do not have statitistics- but I stand by this statement, overall, for the UK.

Well, hopefully all of them, including any cafes and service stations selling ham sandwiches, are selling uncontaminated meat. That's the point - not whether the meat comes ready minced in supermarket plastic or delivered after being jointed by a personal butcher. All meat should be safe for consumption.

Mind you dancing on a pin springs to mind here. I must go and get ready to go out to a barbecue - not sure of the source of the meat though😄. Will need to wrap up🥶

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t understand what you mean wwm, when I say small town I mean exactly that and two butchers shops and an in store butchery, all always busy. That doesn’t indicate that ‘the vast majority’ are not buying from them.

Just Two butchers serving a small town is not sufficient if the majority are buying their meat from a butchers.

TBH I think you know that the majority of people buy their meat from supermarkets - of course they do, ask any farmer.

And logic says so.

Correction - you said ‘the vast majority’ - even more of a sweeping statement.

Two busy butcher’s shops, a busy butchery department, a small place - not to mention a farm shop close by. I didn’t say most were buying from them but you said most weren’t. Such a sweeping statement.

Fleurpepper

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘the vast majority’ aren’t buying from the excellent butcher down the road selling local meat, how is he still in business? We have two butchers in our small market town and a proper in-store butchery. Always busy.

I am surprised you are asking, really. Just because your butcher's is busy, doesn't mean most are buying from him. Honestly ?!?

The butchers we use are incredibly busy, one must make an appointment to discuss needs properly. We needed a lamb for Easter, it was selected and ordered well before we drove to the butcher to purchase.

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘the vast majority’ aren’t buying from the excellent butcher down the road selling local meat, how is he still in business? We have two butchers in our small market town and a proper in-store butchery. Always busy.

I am surprised you are asking, really. Just because your butcher's is busy, doesn't mean most are buying from him. Honestly ?!?

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘the vast majority’ aren’t buying from the excellent butcher down the road selling local meat, how is he still in business? We have two butchers in our small market town and a proper in-store butchery. Always busy.

Two butchers in a small market town is all you need to know to understand that the vast majority are not buying meat from the local butchers.

I'm not sure you've selected the correct metrics.

We only have one in our large town and he’s struggling, we also have a couple of garden centers with meat counters that “pile it high, sell it cheap”.

Guess which makes money

I don’t understand what you mean wwm, when I say small town I mean exactly that and two butchers shops and an in store butchery, all always busy. That doesn’t indicate that ‘the vast majority’ are not buying from them.

I really don't understand the relevance of this. We have two butchers in town too. We also have three supermarkets whose aisles have many times more meat than the butchers do. Some people obviously do want to buy their meat from small butchers, but the majority don't.

However, it doesn't matter where people buy their meat. The fact is it's sold as food and should be fit for consumption with no risk of contamination.

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘the vast majority’ aren’t buying from the excellent butcher down the road selling local meat, how is he still in business? We have two butchers in our small market town and a proper in-store butchery. Always busy.

Two butchers in a small market town is all you need to know to understand that the vast majority are not buying meat from the local butchers.