Rotten pork

If ‘the vast majority’ aren’t buying from the excellent butcher down the road selling local meat, how is he still in business? We have two butchers in our small market town and a proper in-store butchery. Always busy.

I know threads meander- but ...

Fact is the vast majority of the population cannot or will not afford meat sourced locally and sold by excellent butcher down the road. And a large amount will be in pre-prepared meals, sausages, burgers, etc.

Fact is, we have NO idea what is coming into the UK and getting into the food chain at the moment. And it has just been announced that Government does not intend to implement full and proper checks later this year, or at all.

Sheer madness, and VERY VERY dangerous. One major outbreak of swine fever or other imported disease, and we will all be in big trouble, and the farming sector finally done for.

Sequester Carbon, new buzz words, there is no doubt that grassland and livestock increase the organic matter in soil and there is nothing new in that. Cultivation of land for crop production releases carbon so the logical solution is to increase animal production, the problem is that animal production is often not profitable and always hard work.

The point of Pasture for Life is that the pasture is unimproved, Katie59. As to emissions, read this www.pastureforlife.org/research/new-beef-systems-research-includes-soil-carbon-measurements-for-first-time/
www.greenbiz.com/article/how-regenerative-land-and-livestock-management-practices-can-sequester-carbon

As for such meat being expensive, the solution is to eat less. I have reduced average portions size and we eat meat a little less frequently. The price per meal is then competitive with anything you can buy in the supermarket.

I agree not everyone can get to farm shops, but everyone seems to be quite at ease ordering their weekly shop online from their local supermarket. Top quality meat can be bought just as easily using the same method.

One of the problem I have with veganism is how anyone with food allergies can follow it and have variety and choice in their eating patterns.

Following diagnosis with an autoimmune disease my DDiL has become allergic to nuts, soya and fresh fruit. Now nuts and soya seem to be at the core of variety in a vegan diet. Soya is used in so many prepared foods and nuts feature in so many recipes and both are good sources of protein. Of course these allergies do not preclude a vegan diet, but they do limit the variety and range of food you can eat and I think it would be dull and monotonous.

growstuff

Norah

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Good question.

Decent animal treatment? Safe procedures and policies?

How about the quality of the protein itself?

Sustainable farming? Lower carbon footprint farming? Stewardship of the Earth's reasources?

My husband works on sustainability, less land erosion, land quality, water use - all parts to agro-engineering. Animals and plants must coexist.

What's that got to do with rotten pork?

If you're worried about pork purchase UK farm raised pork from a butcher. Lavenham Butchers cut high quality UK pork. I'm sure there are others. We bought the lamb for our daughters and families Easter dinner (with us) locally, selected it off the field. They tagged it, we picked it up when it was ready.

nanna8

We had a cat that in the end we surrendered to the local shelter ( they don’t put animals down there or I wouldn’t have ) He was the rudest ,most aggressive cat I had met in my life and we had 8 months of hell with him! He was actually a Russian blue and we ended up calling him Putin. Really. I have to admit I actually loved him but he was dangerous and kept sinking his teeth and claws into us for no reason at all. Poor thing had probably been mis-treated somewhere along the line.

Much kinder to pts than to condemn to a life of misery.

Fleurpepper

From the BBC. Experts estimate that many EU meat, produce, any goods- will possibly just refuse to export to UK. It is so much more complicated due to crossing Channel, etc, + extra costs for checks, extra staff, low Sterling currency, etc. Much easier to export-import inter EU or beyond.

www.bbc.com/news/business-65199705

Regular importers will have extra costs and inspections, that will have to go on the price, in the same way that our exporters have to handle regulations. For the occasional importer it will be a problem and cause delays, I don’t see shortages due to paperwork and it may give our own producers the opportunity expand production.

We had a cat that in the end we surrendered to the local shelter ( they don’t put animals down there or I wouldn’t have ) He was the rudest ,most aggressive cat I had met in my life and we had 8 months of hell with him! He was actually a Russian blue and we ended up calling him Putin. Really. I have to admit I actually loved him but he was dangerous and kept sinking his teeth and claws into us for no reason at all. Poor thing had probably been mis-treated somewhere along the line.

Germanshepherdsmum

Actually growstuff I care far more for animals for human beings. I have yet to meet a rude animal.

You have yet to meet my next door neighbours’ Lhasa apso Shep
He is the most miserable so and so

From the BBC. Experts estimate that many EU meat, produce, any goods- will possibly just refuse to export to UK. It is so much more complicated due to crossing Channel, etc, + extra costs for checks, extra staff, low Sterling currency, etc. Much easier to export-import inter EU or beyond.

www.bbc.com/news/business-65199705

Surely thoroughly cooking meat and eating it while it is still hot will kill any pathogens, or all but a very few.

I think it is a question, of meat, not just starting to go off but also being stored and handled in unsnitary conditions, meat dropped on the floor and picked up and put back on the line, workers not obeying basic hygiene rulles, meat being stored in unrefrigerated containers etc etc.

there is far more to food being ;unfit for human consumption' tha simply being rotten and smelling. Food that is unfit for human consumption and is then chilled/frozen and processed will not smell or show signs of contamination.

Currently, we have NO idea whatsoever of what is coming into the country. There are NO checks- apart from a few by side of MWay checks on a minuscule %, which have shown that pretty bad stuff is coming in, including meat. The gangs and maffia from Europe and beyond know this - and are having a field day.

It is very likely that there will be an outbreak of something very nasty due to this- which would be the final strike on our farming and meat industry.

So when will checks happen, October, January - and how will the system cope as nothing is ready. Those bottle necks currently are without proper checks on goods and produce!

Well explained here

youtu.be/C4cUkdh4eWY

Actually growstuff I care far more for animals for human beings. I have yet to meet a rude animal.

I guess it depends in what way it's "rotten". If it's been infected with some kind of virus or bacteria, it wouldn't necessarily smell. Moreover, I suspect people wouldn't notice a strange smell, if it's been processed and made into sausages or pies with flavourings added.

Wouldn’t it smell if it was rotten ? Wouldn’t people kind of notice that ? Once, many years ago when we lived in Tasmania, I bought some ‘ steak’ which, after the first mouthful, I knew was not beef. Horse meat or possibly kangaroo but you could spot it a mile off. Never went to that butcher again and you can bet I spread the word!

Norah

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Good question.

Decent animal treatment? Safe procedures and policies?

How about the quality of the protein itself?

Sustainable farming? Lower carbon footprint farming? Stewardship of the Earth's reasources?

My husband works on sustainability, less land erosion, land quality, water use - all parts to agro-engineering. Animals and plants must coexist.

What's that got to do with rotten pork?

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

What's that got to do with rotten pork? I care that the food I buy is safe to eat.

Don't you care about other human beings? It often seems from your posts that you don't. Don't try to guilt-trip and gaslight me!

I'll eat what contributes to my health and I can afford. Now don't fall off your high horse - have a nice day!

Germanshepherdsmum

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

Good question.

Decent animal treatment? Safe procedures and policies?

How about the quality of the protein itself?

Sustainable farming? Lower carbon footprint farming? Stewardship of the Earth's reasources?

My husband works on sustainability, less land erosion, land quality, water use - all parts to agro-engineering. Animals and plants must coexist.

Don’t you care for the welfare of the animals which produce the meat you eat, or do you only care that the meat is safe to eat?

and fish.

Germanshepherdsmum

So what does your diet consist of?

Veg, some fruit, dairy, meat, nuts, seeds.

Norah

growstuff

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

I make oat milk. Not at all processed.

IDK if tofu is processed, but we love it.

I shall look for recipes. Maybe I could make it, IDK.

Don't waste your time Norah. I thoroughly dislike tofu and don't eat oats.

I need calories without carbs. You haven't made any suggestions.

Incidentally, you're missing the point. I shouldn't have to explain why I eat meat, nor should anybody else. The issue is that I have a right to know that any meat I buy is going to be safe without having to pay any kind of premium for it.

ExDancer, what do you think buying British guarantees? Do you have no idea of the cruelty involved in factory farming in UK? Buying British is meaningless.

growstuff

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

I make oat milk. Not at all processed.

IDK if tofu is processed, but we love it.

I shall look for recipes. Maybe I could make it, IDK.

Buying British is no guarantee that the animals haven’t been treated cruelly. If only it were ‘Simples’. You need to educate yourself about the realities of the treatment of farm animals in the UK ExDancer. I wish it were so ‘Simples’. The reality is very unpleasant.