Brexit finally ends channel Crossing

mayisay

What short memories some of you have. The French are notorious for blockading their ports, for one reason or another, even when we part of the EU!!!

Just to say how true this is - let's not face the facts, let's just blame Brexit!

CyberBug123

mayisay

What short memories some of you have. The French are notorious for blockading their ports, for one reason or another, even when we part of the EU!!!

Just to say how true this is - let's not face the facts, let's just blame Brexit!

Which facts?

French officials weren't blockading any ports last weekend!

I guess some people aren't against a bit of stereotyping when promoting xenophobic agendas.

The denial is just incredible!

Dover port delays: Brexit contributed to Dover queues, says No 10

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dover-delays-officials-dismiss-suella-braverman-claim-queues-brexit-latest-l0mtqjfkw

Dover delays – latest news: No 10 admits Brexit played role in chaos amid calls for crisis meeting

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/dover-delays-latest-ferry-port-b2312907.html

Dover officials dismiss Suella Braverman’s claim that queues ‘not caused by Brexit’

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dover-queues-ferries-suella-braverman-b2312545.html

So No 10 has admitted the bleedin’ obvious, that delays are as a result of border checks required post Brexit.

Wonder if they’ve advised Braverman?

growstuff

Callistemon I guess you've never been a French teacher. If you're taking 50 pupils to France (or beyond), the Dover/Calais crossing is almost always the cheapest (and cost is a huge consideration for school trips) and the most convenient for many.

No, thank heavens.

Although It was a consideration at one time I thought better of it.

Of course many in denial here would not dream of driving to France or to Continental Europe- and that is fair enough. Probably many of those who voted for Brexit too.

But what they have to remember, is that those difficulties will also apply to goods coming in- proper checks, which the UK DEMANDED of EU, have not yet been put in place. But when they do, as they have to as per Brexit- it will be goods that will be held up. Already some haulage companies are refusing to do the trip to UK, as are many of the drivers who have been stuck for days without facilities in the past, or proper compensation, who are saying 'never again'. Companies that lost the sensitive goods they were carrying, 10s of 100s of pounds of fresh goods, going both ways, and are saying NO.

Food of all sorts, many we can't produce in the UK. But also essentials chemicals for water purification- all linked to sewereage being released in our waters, cnad swimming pools closing, etc. Essential parts to make industrial chains flow, medicines we can't produce in UK, raw materials which are not available in the UK, and so much more.

Tourists being stuck in Dover is the least of our worries- even if very inconvenient for thos who are, and those of us who travel to and from regularly.

If it has always been the case that Dover is a bottleneck then the government should have made arrangements to minimize the problem including negotiating sensible arrangements with the French government. Johnson played to the gallery of EU haters, flag wavers, ERG loonies and immigrant loathers by not doing so. I hope as many Leave voters as possible were on the coaches, etc., so they experienced the consequences of a hard Brexit.

That's the irony of it Fleurpepper because at the port of Roscoff French lorries are passing as normal, very little delays for them. What we have to remember I suppose it that Brittany Ferries was set up by Breton farmers to aid them to transport foods of all sorts of food, but mainly cauliflowers and artichokes to the UK. I believe the port itself was built for them. I travelled back and forth with them before Brexit, now after Brexit, and there seems to be no less freight on board.

Joseanne that’s because the UK government have delayed the planned border checks for EU goods coming into the UK 4 times, most recently last July.

One of the reasons Rees Mogg gave was that the delay would “ensure that new costs are not passed on to consumers”.

The British Chamber of Commerce said it was a sensible move from the government. “With food prices rising, the extra costs from new checks on meat, fish, dairy and other products would fuel inflation – hitting the pockets of both business and the British public.”

The new checks are now due to start at the end of this year, so we are still looking forward to this additional sunlit upland.

My source for the above quotes is www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/news/british-government-delays-import-checks-for-the-fourth-time-since-brexit but it was reported elsewhere too.

Joseanne

That's the irony of it Fleurpepper because at the port of Roscoff French lorries are passing as normal, very little delays for them. What we have to remember I suppose it that Brittany Ferries was set up by Breton farmers to aid them to transport foods of all sorts of food, but mainly cauliflowers and artichokes to the UK. I believe the port itself was built for them. I travelled back and forth with them before Brexit, now after Brexit, and there seems to be no less freight on board.

A very long crossing to Ireland- totally different situation and geography. Not really comparable.

My friends from Cork do the crossing often. It is being used increasingly to avoid going to UK at all and to avoid the narrow bottleneck at Dover.

'Brittany Ferries said these are in addition to its current sailings out of Cork and Rosslare to both France and Spain and are in response to demands from both Irish and French hauliers seeking a more direct route. An extra weekly Rosslare to Cherbourg round trip was introduced last month.

The firm said that most lorries travelling between Ireland and France normally transit via the UK and the Irish Sea, but since new post-Brexit trade rules were introduced on 1 January ‘increasing numbers of Irish and continental hauliers have been deterred from using this landbridge due to increased customs checks and paperwork.

Although a number of channel ports are used for these journeys, Britanny Ferries told Transport Network that the biggest impact on its services had been on its Caen to Portsmouth route, with a significant drop in the number of trucks being sent to for phytosanitary checks in Caen.

Hugh Bruton, general manager, Brittany Ferries Ireland, said: ‘It’s clear that Brexit has distorted flows of trade between France and Ireland, there’s now clear and compelling demand both in Brittany and beyond to boost freight capacity direct from the region to Ireland.

'And Irish traders too are seeking direct links to Western France. We’re always listening to our haulier customers in order to best meet their needs and we look forward to restarting Brittany-Ireland services two months earlier than planned.'

mayisay

What short memories some of you have. The French are notorious for blockading their ports, for one reason or another, even when we part of the EU!!!

Exactly! It’s nothing new or have some people who voted in a particular way forgotten that this has gone on for decades. It’s like Operation Stack - that started in 1988 - 35 years ago!

How many problems have there been travelling to the Netherlands? Same rules.

Dover being abottleneck for essential goods coming INTO the country is a far more serious consideration to me than a few rich kids being a day late for their ski-ing holiday.

I resent that comment biglouis my granddaughter, in fact my whole family are not rich, similar to many others.
Your ivory tower seems to encourage rather ignorant and unnecessary comments.

biglouis

Dover being abottleneck for essential goods coming INTO the country is a far more serious consideration to me than a few rich kids being a day late for their ski-ing holiday.

Oh dear!

The fact that No. 10 has contradicted Braverman is significant. How long can she survive in her cloud-cuckoo land dismissal of everything that goes against her agenda. Not happy about cheap jibe at "rich kids being a day late for their ski-ing trip". My GS went on a student ski trip last year, saved up all year for it, organised it, led the group and isn't a rich kid.

The Dover Calais crossing is the shortest and cheapest way to get across the channel. On a good day you can see the cliffs of France from Dover, its only 20 miles. For those in the crowded south east its the most convenient and we have done it many times and hope to do so again.
We were on a short coach trip in early December and were held up at Dover, missing our ferry which added complications to arrival at our eventual destination.
There were people complaining and all blaming the French etc, so when someone directed their comments at me, I pointed out that if you leave a club you can't expect to keep the benefits of being a member and those who voted out had made the decision for the rest of us.
My dh went shopping this morning, to a large well known supermarket, the egg shelves completely empty, he had to go to another supermarket to find them, something we will have to get used to.

It's got nothing to do with brexit it's bad planning by the ferry companies booking to many coaches for each crossing and the French boarder control being awkward

When the vote went to "Leave", I did wonder what would happen when we didn't have the French to blame for everything because we would be out of the EU then and the government of the day would have to accept responsibility for anything that happened. But guess what? We still blame the French.

Its so puerile! "It's not our fault, the nasty French are out to get us, and you can't blame our government, and it's never our fault."

Was Britain always like this? Has there always been a stratum of society that won't accept responsibility for anything and will tie themselves in knots trying to blame someone - anyone - else?

Delays are due to a number of factors - overbooking, bad weather and Brexit.