Donald and the Southern Baptists

Aveline

I find Trump's popularity unfathomable. How stupid can his supporters be?! We met some Americans recently and had a long discussion with them. They were absolutely torn. They said that there are good people in the Republicans and good people in the Democrats but neither party is good or worth supporting. These were educated and employed people in their late fifties.
Meanwhile, I always liked Hilary Clinton.

Not unfathomable at all they supported Johnson, then voted Truss as PM.
It’s easy just tell voters what they want to hear, the truth doesn’t matter until you get elected.

Volver3 is spot on.

Everyone makes mistakes, but Trump encouraged insurrection and lied about winning the election. He lied about how many people turned up in the Mall to his inauguration. He is an inveterate liar.

As for being good at business, he is now worth significantly less that he was when he started in business, backed up by daddy's money. He's terrible at business.

He is a self made man - self made in that he makes himself out to be something he's not.

Wow! How many politicans are there in the world? Obviously all squeaky clean, of course. Yes, Trump is human, he makes mistakes but I think the real reason people don't like him is his Self Confidence and swagger. He knows he's good at business. He's a billionaire for goodness sake and people don't like successful people. So, what have they got asd President, an old guy with dementia (I know what dementia looks like in a person's face), a VP who probably wouldn't get a job teaching Kindergarten, an ex-President who was VERY friendly with a lady named Monica and whose wife has a lot of involvement in chemical companies that poisoned all our gardens because we can't be bothered to pull up weeds.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I have despaired about the USA ever since that November day in 2016 when trump was elected. My despair grew as the world watched trump and his antics. Then the 6 January debacle. trump had laid the ground for his not winning a second time, so when he didn’t, he and all his MAGA followers went on what has seemed to me a continual rant about how the election was stolen from him. If he is re-elected I can’t see how the USA can ever be considered the leader of the Western world ever again. They are at a very dangerous crossroads. And of course, I haven’t even mentioned their horrific gun laws and reduction of women’s rights. Gilead here we come.

Yeah, agreed, scary alright.👀
If Biden stands again and Trump does too then it’s on the cards that the orange one will be back!

4thJulySunshine

If you live in the UK - I would think you have more problems at home since you are rapidly becoming a WEF nation. I suggest you get off mainstream media so you can understand the “true” situation - not the propaganda that abides on mainstream media.

I don’t believe there is a clear understanding of Biden’s destruction over the last 24 months nor Trump’s accomplishments during his tenure.

Not living in the UK, I would not comment on your political climate except to note that you are tracking closely to all WEF goals which will result in enslavement if allowed to continue forward.

Oh we have a clear understanding of Trump - egregious human being !!!! Biden is at least trying to do good but sadly he’s not a good public speaker! But his actions show he’s trying to put america back on the right path, reverse all the harm done by yucky Trump, and bring the country together again -Trump and DeSantis and the Republicans are splitting the States apart.
Being British we can see what’s going on over there with an unbiased eye - far better than you Americans who seem to be indoctrinated by Guns, Hate and awful cults like Q-Anon, etc, who say utterly stupid things like Biden and the Democrats are a cabal of Child eating/abusing cannibals ! How can any thinking person not see all this???

Tamayra

He’s the best president US has had.
The truth about the stolen election will come out
As will the truth about Biden’s nefarious dealings with China
Trump has gone after the child & organ traffickers How can that be wrong ????

I sincerely hope that was a sarcastic comment - if not, try looking at the Dominion case against Fox - which shows how they all knew at Fox that Trump and cronies were all Liars and even some “crazy” = but carried on telling their viewers lies as their audiences were stupid and wanted to hear that!! That brought in the numbers and the money so they didn’t care that they knew it was all lies - but do Trump followers know about this - mainly No, it’s being kept quiet on the right-wing channels… even IF Trump supporters understand it’s all lies they keep up support for Trump …. WHY would ANY reasoning person do that???

MerylStreep

It’s not Donald we have to be worried about, Ron DeSantis ( if he runs) is the scary one.

Trump is excruciatingly awful - but you’re right- the way De SANTIS is bringing in laws to stifle truth and change history, not to mention banning books, etc, etc , and at speed is truly Scary!

Attenborough is in it as well, I read today. 🙄

WEF is the World Economic Forum under the direction of Klaus Schwab. WEF goals align with UN Agenda 2030.

Both Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak and Macron are Klaus Schwab protégés. In addition, King Charles also is a strong supporter of the World Economic Forum.

Their goals include the elimination of national sovereignty, elimination of private property, elimination of individual sovereignty etc. to be ruled by an elite group of globalists who will makes decisions on our behalf because we are deemed incapable.

Basically Fascism/Marxism…

Summerlove

Katie59

Stone of Destiny

There is nothing like exaggeration its the predominantly Democrat inner city areas that are the most dangerous places on the planet.

Is this where you start bringing up Chicago?

More dangerous than religious gun carrying republican South?

Summerlove

Katie59

Stone of Destiny

There is nothing like exaggeration its the predominantly Democrat inner city areas that are the most dangerous places on the planet.

Is this where you start bringing up Chicago?

I would rather get lost in the Bible Belt getting lost in Miami or New York seems a bit more risky, probably not as bad as Johannesburg though.

I have despaired about the USA ever since that November day in 2016 when trump was elected. My despair grew as the world watched trump and his antics. Then the 6 January debacle. trump had laid the ground for his not winning a second time, so when he didn’t, he and all his MAGA followers went on what has seemed to me a continual rant about how the election was stolen from him. If he is re-elected I can’t see how the USA can ever be considered the leader of the Western world ever again. They are at a very dangerous crossroads. And of course, I haven’t even mentioned their horrific gun laws and reduction of women’s rights. Gilead here we come.

Sometimes I think parts of America are still living in the Wild West with that pioneer mentality, frontiersmen all. The guns are for more than just shooting rabbits. Deeply engrained and a source of pride and nothing the rest of the more evolved can do about it!

Katie59

Stone of Destiny

There is nothing like exaggeration its the predominantly Democrat inner city areas that are the most dangerous places on the planet.

Is this where you start bringing up Chicago?

There is nothing like exaggeration its the predominantly Democrat inner city areas that are the most dangerous places on the planet

I disagree, the inner city areas might be dangerous because of social deprivation and break down in law and order in gang areas - but when you have the well to do spouting hate speech, attacking their own democracy and doing nothing to equalise the wealth across the US and the access to basic care - that is scary.
The ghastly mix of religious fundamentalism, racism, political and judicial corruption seems a hideous and dangerous mix to any sane and civilised person.

While Biden is still able nobody is going to challenge him, if he stands down there will be plenty of candidates.
Trump is different depending on this court case the leading republicans may well persuade him to stand down but still endorse an other candidate, BUT, don’t expect the replacement to be a moderate.

What is wrong with America?

They are ,many intelligent people, many intelligent capable politicians in America, but the present choice seems to be between serial liar and philanderer Trump (who seems to exhibit very low intelligence and a psychopathic narcissistic personality) and De Santos (apparently even more bonkers right wing than Trump) and the octogenarian somewhat suspect Biden or the only other Democrat contender I've heard of so far - Robert Kennedy Junior- a 69 year old anti-vaccine campaigner.

Come on USA - surely you can do better than that!

I think they should find someone other than Biden. I like him but they need someone younger. Please not Trump again.

Whitewavemark2

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

If critical-thinking involves questioning what you are told - the accepted 'wisdom', or what you read or hear, then it becomes a minefield in the schoolroom.

We expect scientists, doctors, etc to be able to evaluate and analyse information objectively - they're looking at Science and Medicine.

But when it comes to government, politics and the economy - it requires questioning the status-quo, and any teacher who attempted that would probably be labelled a Marxist or a Leftie.

I'd imagine it's even more problematic in the USA - I don't think the right-wing fundamentalist Christians are keen on their ideology being questioned.

I'm not a Marxist or Communist, not particularly 'woke' nor squarely Left, but have been called all of those simply for stating that I'd like to see a more equitable society with less of a gap between the extremely wealthy and the impoverished which, I believe, is possible even under Capitalism.

Whitewavemark2

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

Nothing to do with education system, I have brother and a sister in the US, they are twins educated in Oxfordshire, sister is a staunch Democrat, brother a staunch Republican, they live 10 miles apart and rarely speak to each other.

Why

However they are both visiting for the Coronation, so they will have to be civil while they are here.

Grantanow

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

Ours isn’t much better

An interesting debate. American values are beyond me, most of my personal American friends are actually like me in outlook. Not particularly left or right but want to do good and be decent human beings. I can’t get my head around why people think Trump is a force for good. He is blatantly a dangerous man. I grew up with the war not far behind us and a “never again” mentality and then Trump, Putin, Johnson exist on the world stage. Many others too. The people who seriously believe the conspiracy theories abounding make me laugh but also worry me. What a failure of education and critical thinking. Anyway with AI coming along we are all doomed so maybe I will just concentrate on my own family and try not to beat myself up with the crazy world we are living in.

It all speaks to me of the abysmal failure of the American educational system to teach critical thinking.

The real sadness is our total impotence in the face of all this. What exactly might we do to prevent this slide into lunacy? Absolutely nothing. OK, so we can cast our votes when the opportunity arises, but it is a drop in the ocean compared with the groundswell of insanity that surrounds us globally.

Trump's espousal of fundamentalist Christianity confirms my desire to avoid all organised religion; but so many people are taken in by all this; it beggars belief.

I have always made it a rule to only engage in battles that stand a chance of being won; have always avoided trying to change things that I know cannot be changed - it is my way of trying to stay remotely sane in this mad world. And it all makes me want to ensure that my AC and DGC take every opportunity to wring every drop of enjoyment out of life, as we do not know what is round the corner for them.

I can seek to lead a decent life and make change for good in my own small sphere but I cannot change the global trends - especially where the insanity of fundamentalist doctrines is at play.

So I could be accused of being one of those who are condemned to blame by "doing nothing", but I work hard to bring good experiences to my family and those around me (e.g. by fostering music for children and adults in my local community) and hope that these will bring comfort and resilience in difficult times.

There is nothing we can do .... we can discuss it till we are purple -- but we can do nothing.