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A Home Secretary unfit for Purpose

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Glorianny Thu 06-Apr-23 19:40:17

On 1st April Suella Braverman wrote in the Daily Mail about grooming gangs and child abuse and said the perpetrators are groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani, who hold cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11928629/SUELLA-BRAVERMAN-mission-ensure-really-no-hiding-place-gangs-grooming-young-girls.html
The story of 21 people convicted in West Midlands was released on Wednesday 5th April. The perpetrators are all white and are both male and female.
Isn't it time we had a Home Secretary who knew what she was talking about? And one who didn't write inaccurate and racially harmful press releases?

Glorianny Sat 08-Apr-23 10:26:21

nanna8

Here if a criminal offence or assault occurs and it is a white man involved they always describe them as Caucasian or white. If it is someone from Africa or a First Nations person they never, ever, describe their appearance. Which is also racism because everyone they are seeking suspected of a crime should be treated equally. The unfortunate result is when there is no description the wrong assumption is often made. Commonsense.

Well I would imagine it is very difficult to ascribe the racial origins you describe unless you have a declaration or full DNA. A black person might be African, but might also be Caribbean or even American. As for First Nation that must be equally difficult to identify

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 09:12:07

Link: www.police.nsw.gov.au/can_you_help_us/wanted

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 09:03:34

I thought that sounded a little unlikely so I googled...

NSW most-wanted people, only 2 described as Caucasian and the others as Indian/sub continental, Middle Eastern or Mediterranean appearance.

nanna8 Sat 08-Apr-23 08:47:12

Here if a criminal offence or assault occurs and it is a white man involved they always describe them as Caucasian or white. If it is someone from Africa or a First Nations person they never, ever, describe their appearance. Which is also racism because everyone they are seeking suspected of a crime should be treated equally. The unfortunate result is when there is no description the wrong assumption is often made. Commonsense.

westendgirl Sat 08-Apr-23 08:36:09

I thought the original post was about the present Home Secretary's inaccurate and divisive language.
There have been other examples of this , "invasion". is one which apparently is quite different from the line she took when advocating for asylum seekers as a barrister.
Surely the Home Secretary is playing to the gods and it is a deliberate strategy to hopefully win more votes.?The question is should someone in the position of the Home Secretary play this game.I'm sure the ERG approve.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 22:20:05

Kandinsky

Oh here come the ‘wink’ emojis.

I just hope HQ are watching this thread.

Why? Don't you think they have anything better to do?

Fleurpepper Fri 07-Apr-23 21:15:07

zipped!

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 20:32:58

Er no, that sound is me closing the door & leaving you to it.
Your need to argue all day on GN is far greater than mine. ( thankfully )

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 20:06:44

Is this where we are?

You said posters and you've only give an example of one.

What's that sound? Oh yeah, the barrel being scraped.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 20:03:25

Oh here come the ‘wink’ emojis.

I just hope HQ are watching this thread.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 20:02:51

pinkquartz

growstuff

If me being heartbroken causes you to be offensive you mut be a very strange and bitter person.

If that kind of thinking suits you, you're welcome to it.

PS. I thought name-calling wasn't allowed!

Fleurpepper Fri 07-Apr-23 20:00:08

Kandinsky

*Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist*

comments like this are just goady.

It’s not racist to post facts.
Large numbers of Asian men have been involved in child abuse grooming gangs in recent years.

It does become 'racist' if the facts are selected to only mention one group of abusers and not mention the other facts, about the other and majority group.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 20:00:01

Oreo

I stand by my view of what you and growstuff have been saying.It’s a serious subject not a game with other posters.
You are bound to think that’s not acceptable.
There is no blatant racism or demonising going on, or any sidelining either.

Really? wink

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 19:59:12

It is racist to victimize one group and not others.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 19:58:45

You said ‘posters’ plural.
yet gave one example post that’s been deleted.
What other ‘posters’ comments are you saying are racist?
I just think this needs clarification.

growstuff Fri 07-Apr-23 19:57:36

Kandinsky

*Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist*

comments like this are just goady.

It’s not racist to post facts.
Large numbers of Asian men have been involved in child abuse grooming gangs in recent years.

So have large numbers of white men!!!!

Why pick on one group?

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 19:39:59

British Pakistani men are racist towards white girls and women.

Are you being a bit white supremist ?

The side-lining comment has been deleted. Not surprised.

People can make their own minds up.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 19:37:29

Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist

comments like this are just goady.

It’s not racist to post facts.
Large numbers of Asian men have been involved in child abuse grooming gangs in recent years.

Oreo Fri 07-Apr-23 19:24:07

I stand by my view of what you and growstuff have been saying.It’s a serious subject not a game with other posters.
You are bound to think that’s not acceptable.
There is no blatant racism or demonising going on, or any sidelining either.

volver3 Fri 07-Apr-23 19:12:03

Oreo

growstuff

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our <a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="https://www.gransnet.com/info/netiquette">Talk guidelines.</a>

You and Volver3 are treating this subject as a game, nothing new there, with one upmanship rude comments and jokey emoticons.

No, this attitude isn't acceptable.

Posters here are demonising Asian men and being blatantly racist, and side lining other people with perfectly valid views because they are not mothers. The thread is about the unsuitability of our current Home Secretary. But what you choose to complain about is me and growstuff?

Perhaps you'd like to comment on the person who called me a white supremacist.

Skewed priorities.

MerylStreep Fri 07-Apr-23 18:23:11

Primrose
I started supporting the charity as soon as it was set up.
Maggie keeps you informed of successes they are making.

Primrose53 Fri 07-Apr-23 18:08:50

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-we-must-accept-ethnicity-matters-in-child-grooming-cases/

The former detective, Maggie Oliver who worked with these thousands of abused girls was horrified to report on TV recently that the Police did not record ethnicity data of victims and offenders! She has now set up a foundation to help and support those raped, passed around, drugged and abused.

Oreo Fri 07-Apr-23 17:51:43

growstuff

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our <a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="https://www.gransnet.com/info/netiquette">Talk guidelines.</a>

You and Volver3 are treating this subject as a game, nothing new there, with one upmanship rude comments and jokey emoticons.

Kandinsky Fri 07-Apr-23 17:50:31

Putting up
‘Crying with laughter’ emojis on a thread about child abuse is also extremely off.
No matter what the context.

pinkquartz Fri 07-Apr-23 17:48:53

growstuff

If me being heartbroken causes you to be offensive you mut be a very strange and bitter person.