Crucifixion Cartoon in the Times on Good Friday

Good grief.

The shoulder chips are great with this one.

maddyone

Dinahmo like tickingbird I’m surprised that you say it is Christians who behaved thoughtlessly, carelessly, or even badly to other human beings.

What a gross generalisation. Of course some Christians do the wrong thing, but so do many, many other people who are not Christians. In fact, I would venture the opinion that the majority of wrong that is done is not done by Christians. Some of it is though.

Yeah, Christians get slagged off all the time, if they’re white and British even more so.Mainly by other white British people who seem to think that any other religion is better or anyhow more PC. Idiots really.

No one has the right not to be offended.

Dinahmo like tickingbird I’m surprised that you say it is Christians who behaved thoughtlessly, carelessly, or even badly to other human beings.

What a gross generalisation. Of course some Christians do the wrong thing, but so do many, many other people who are not Christians. In fact, I would venture the opinion that the majority of wrong that is done is not done by Christians. Some of it is though.

I have noticed that of course but that is not the subject under discussion. I'm talking about good old Christians - C of E and others who do not behave in a Christian way.

Funnily enough, 60 odd years later, I can still remember the 23rd Psalm, the Lord's Prayer and the Nicene Creed. I'm always surprised at those who get married in church but never or rarely attend services. That also applies to most of the people who go. When my niece, who is now aged 40+ was christened I did not accept the invitation to be a godparent because I could not bring myself to say the words.

I'm not a Christian but was brought up C of E and attended church regularly until I left home, aged 19. Throughout my adult life it is Christians who have behaved thoughtlessly, carelessly or even badly to other human beings.

Really? Ever bothered to notice the behaviour of some in the Middle East. Definitely not Christians.

welbeck

the X makes it no better; it is the cross of st andrew because that is how st andrew was crucified.
and i doubt many people under age 50 know of life of brian, or monty python.
the cartoon seems gratuitously offensive.

Perhaps they should watch Life of Brian. Also look at the cartoons of James Gilray and Thomas Rowlandson. Admittedly their cartoons are concerned more with society and royalty than religion.

I've noticed over the last few years the increase of things being banned because people do not want to be offended.

Often it is cartoonists who show how certain people, in particular politicians, behave badly, or stupidly.

I'm not a Christian but was brought up C of E and attended church regularly until I left home, aged 19. Throughout my adult life it is Christians who have behaved thoughtlessly, carelessly or even badly to other human beings.

I think a good cartoon hits home straight away. I haven't seen Life of Brian and don't follow Scottish politics so I didn't know what it was about and I'm sure many others are the same. A pity because Peter Brookes is usually very funny and to the point. I never understand the ones by the other cartoonist.

Jaberwok

Perhaps we are also lucky to be able to offend, especially Christianity, without fear of repercussions. Again think Afghanistan.

Absolutely - you’ve got it in one😄

Perhaps we are also lucky to be able to offend, especially Christianity, without fear of repercussions. Again think Afghanistan.

Peter Brookes is not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy.

Grantanow

Free speech is far more important than 'outrage' over religious sensibilities.

Yes.

We should consider it to be jolly lucky that we are all able to be offended.

The alternative is pretty devastating. Look at countries like Afghanistan, then understand you are so lucky to be offended.

Totally agree with maddyone, and couldn't have put it better. For myself I find it quite sad and tacky that such a horrendous event and Christianity itself are thought to be suitable cartoon material, whereas other faiths are quite rightly, definitely not.

My country is Scotland. If people make fun of it, I'll answer back.

I'm sorry, I really don't want to offend anyone's sensibilities, but there is no historical proof that Jesus existed in the way that many Christians believe that he did, and I'm not a believer.

As for calendars, I point to the Jewish, Muslim, Chinese calendars and many others that don't rely on the existence or not of Jesus to measure their years. It does seem to me that some Christians - and other religions, I'm sure - are blind to the rest of the world and how it operates.

Volver, where is your country?
I think most people like me, of whatever faith, do not want their beliefs mocked, like gender and race, it’s a matter of respect. True that crucification was used a lot when Jesus lived in that part of the world, doesn’t make it right. Jesus was not aggressive, he preached love and tolerance, even if you do not believe in his preachings, respect that he made the ultimate sacrifice and is alone in the affect he had on the rest of the world, even the calendar world wide dates from his birth. Tell me anyone else that commands that if you can. .

It wasn't a "claim". It was a basis for a discussion.

But fair enough, As we keep being told, you, like everybody else, are entitled to your opinion.

volver3

Yes. Yes I do.

Your point?

Gives lie to your claim of being difficult to offend. You come across as pretty thin skinned on here. That’s all….

Free speech is far more important than 'outrage' over religious sensibilities.

volver3

I don't think the X is intended to make it "better."

Early on this thread I said I didn't know how I feel about it; I still don't.

But something that can enrage so many people who completely miss the point can't be all bad.

Seems as if GermanShephardsMum was spot on then.

Galaxy

I think its fine for religion and Scotland to be be made fun of. It's also fine to be offended by either of those things. Its not fine to want to abolish jokes/cartoons about those things

Despite the fact that I would rather that jokes/cartoons about the crucifixion were not put out on Good Friday, I still agree with this.

Yes. Yes I do.

Your point?

Some folk are upset about picture of crosses. I get upset about people who mock my country.

Seems ok to me...

I think its fine for religion and Scotland to be be made fun of. It's also fine to be offended by either of those things. Its not fine to want to abolish jokes/cartoons about those things

volver3

I must be difficult to offend..

Hardly. You get pretty hot under the collar when anything to do with Scotland is rubbished or made fun of…...

Joseanne

I'm guessing that if you are not a Christian, then The Cross is an infinitesimally small thing of little significance. From the Christian perspective, however, it is of the utmost importance. Any visual image of the crucifixion that does not transmit the tragedy of Christ on The Cross, or worse still makes a joke of it, will automatically be seen as disrespectful and tasteless.

OK, I understand that.

(That doesn't mean I agree, but I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.)

maddyone

I also agree that it’s offensive to the three politicians depicted.

Volver much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is based on myths, stories, events, and sayings, that have been passed down over thousands of years. Thousands of years! And some of these things appear in some form or other in the New Testament.

I know maddyone.

So how can anyone say that they are Christian ideas? Christianity borrowed them and pretends its a Christian thing.

"Do as you would be done by" would still be a good thing even if there had been no Christianity.