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Crucifixion Cartoon in the Times on Good Friday

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Granny23 Sat 08-Apr-23 13:41:10

I, am absolutely horrified after seeing today's 'cartoon' in the times which has been posted on Face Book. It depicts the Crucifixions of the current 1st Minister of Scotland, his predecessor and her husband. I am not a relative of these 3 nor even a close friend, but I do know them personally - all lovely kind and caring people - they do not deserve this. Also an insult to Christians on this, the holiest day in the calendar. In addition, it seems to be lacking the basic requirement of a cartoon, i,e, It is not funny. Any last vestige of decency or respect oot the windae.

Joseanne Sat 08-Apr-23 20:29:18

I'm guessing that if you are not a Christian, then The Cross is an infinitesimally small thing of little significance. From the Christian perspective, however, it is of the utmost importance. Any visual image of the crucifixion that does not transmit the tragedy of Christ on The Cross, or worse still makes a joke of it, will automatically be seen as disrespectful and tasteless.

maddyone Sat 08-Apr-23 20:28:35

I also agree that it’s offensive to the three politicians depicted.

Volver much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is based on myths, stories, events, and sayings, that have been passed down over thousands of years. Thousands of years! And some of these things appear in some form or other in the New Testament.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 20:26:37

I don't think the X is intended to make it "better."

Early on this thread I said I didn't know how I feel about it; I still don't.

But something that can enrage so many people who completely miss the point can't be all bad.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 08-Apr-23 20:23:20

easybee I agree

welbeck Sat 08-Apr-23 20:22:46

the X makes it no better; it is the cross of st andrew because that is how st andrew was crucified.
and i doubt many people under age 50 know of life of brian, or monty python.
the cartoon seems gratuitously offensive.

eazybee Sat 08-Apr-23 20:14:04

I find it deeply offensive.
It was published on Good Friday, a day of supreme importance in the Christian religion.
It is offensive to the three politicians portrayed.
I really do not understand how anyone can defend it.
The perpetrators show a complete lack of respect for other people's beliefs, as have previous cartoons mocking other religions.

Wyllow3 Sat 08-Apr-23 20:04:47

I think we are unlikely to agree feeling wise: we can only put our POV - and listen.

Fleurpepper Sat 08-Apr-23 19:59:21

In antiquity, thousands upon thousands of people were crucified, which at the time was considered to be one of the most brutal and shameful ways to die. In Rome, the crucifixion process was a long one, entailing scourging (more on that later) before the victim was nailed and hung from the cross

Fleurpepper Sat 08-Apr-23 19:52:06

Many Jews were crucified at the time.

Fleurpepper Sat 08-Apr-23 19:51:02

As a child, I actually believed that Jesus was the only person who was ever crucified. Then realised there were another two with him, common criminals.

And later that crucifixion was very very common. Mind you, Christians over many centuries have thought nothing of burning alive, and the worst possible tortures and slow deaths by the most cruel of means, and this for other Christians as well as the terrorism and massive destruction of another people during the Crusades.

As for the cartoon- well they are held with string, and with the X - perhaps in poor taste at Easter- but very clever.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:50:41

Aveline

Looks like you just don't understand how others feel.

Well that's why I keep asking... 🤦🏼

nexus63 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:46:59

it would depend on your sense of humour, it might be funny to some people, it is a political joke ....and so what if you know them....and yes i am a supporter of the snp and always have been and from what i have read nicola has a sense of humour.

Aveline Sat 08-Apr-23 19:46:25

Looks like you just don't understand how others feel.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:38:26

maddyone

I don’t know if I can explain, and others may be able to explain better, but for me, the crucifixion of Christ is not something to be mocked, made light of, laughed at, and included in tasteless jokes/cartoons. The crucifixion of Jesus (and others) was horrendous, the worst torture anyone could imagine. To turn this into a joke, a satire, make light of it, include it in jokes or satires about others, whoever they may be, is simply in very poor taste, and yes, as it appeared on Good Friday, remembered as the day of Christ’s suffering, it makes it worse. Any other time of year might not evoke such a strong reaction, but to choose this day, sacred for many people, to display a crass and insensitive cartoon, shows a complete disregard for the feelings of other people to whom it may be at best in poor taste, at worst completely offensive.
I don’t think I can do any better, maybe someone else can.
Incidentally I’m not really a regular church goer, and I’m certainly no born again Christian, but I have a quiet feeling of the presence of something more important than ourselves, and I believe that Christ gave us a code for living, which we should try to bear in mind.
Do unto others as you would have then do unto you.
Love thy neighbour as thyself.
And so on.

Thank you for taking my question seriously maddyone.

I don't think the cartoon makes light of the crucifixion.

Do unto others as you would have then do unto you.

First found in texts from Ancient Egypt, about 300BCE.

grannyrebel7 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:36:44

Sick!

Wyllow3 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:35:18

Aveline

I saw that cartoon and thought it was in very poor taste. I'm surprised that an editor would sanction its use.

Yes, my feelings.

Step too far despite cries of subtle cleverness.

If I were muslin, would find it out offensive actually.

Oh how funny ha ha ha they've "crucified" a muslim.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:33:44

Germanshepherdsmum

Or deliberately stupid and argumentative.

Stupid.

Nice.

maddyone Sat 08-Apr-23 19:27:11

I don’t know if I can explain, and others may be able to explain better, but for me, the crucifixion of Christ is not something to be mocked, made light of, laughed at, and included in tasteless jokes/cartoons. The crucifixion of Jesus (and others) was horrendous, the worst torture anyone could imagine. To turn this into a joke, a satire, make light of it, include it in jokes or satires about others, whoever they may be, is simply in very poor taste, and yes, as it appeared on Good Friday, remembered as the day of Christ’s suffering, it makes it worse. Any other time of year might not evoke such a strong reaction, but to choose this day, sacred for many people, to display a crass and insensitive cartoon, shows a complete disregard for the feelings of other people to whom it may be at best in poor taste, at worst completely offensive.
I don’t think I can do any better, maybe someone else can.
Incidentally I’m not really a regular church goer, and I’m certainly no born again Christian, but I have a quiet feeling of the presence of something more important than ourselves, and I believe that Christ gave us a code for living, which we should try to bear in mind.
Do unto others as you would have then do unto you.
Love thy neighbour as thyself.
And so on.

valdali Sat 08-Apr-23 19:20:29

Ailidh

Next week, I'd have thought it mildly funny and rather clever, especially the St. Andrew's cross/voting cross, which didn't at first dawn on me.

For Good Friday, it's tasteless.

Exactly how I feel.

Allsorts Sat 08-Apr-23 19:19:45

It is disrespectful and mocking and I find it in very poor taste. I am not surprised a few on here find it fine, confirms what they are like. I abhor the percentage of people who bring a lot of things down to the gutter, as the people who sang in the theatre so that the show was cancelled early and spoilt the night for the hardworking cast and decent audience.

Ailidh Sat 08-Apr-23 19:07:07

I'm not offended, I just find it tasteless. It may well be that there is only David Dickinson's sheet of Bronco that separates the two feelings but there is a difference for me.

Tasteless - fart jokes.
Offensive - poverty.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 08-Apr-23 19:02:43

Or deliberately stupid and argumentative.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 19:00:51

Why? WHY? WHY?

I must be difficult to offend...

Ailidh Sat 08-Apr-23 18:59:48

Next week, I'd have thought it mildly funny and rather clever, especially the St. Andrew's cross/voting cross, which didn't at first dawn on me.

For Good Friday, it's tasteless.

volver3 Sat 08-Apr-23 18:36:03

Still nobody has told me why a depiction of crucifixion is offensive to Christians.

Once again, political cartoons are not meant to be funny. Is it because Christians think we're laughing at them that they get offended?