Crucifixion Cartoon in the Times on Good Friday

It matters that people know what their principles are and how they justify their principles. The traditional religions will have to get rid of miraculous justifications if they are to satisfy this need for modern civilised people who have a modicum of scientific knowledge.

volver3

Oh sorry nanna8, I think I misunderstood.

It’s ok - one of the many good things to come from your country imo

maddyone

You have cited two examples Dinahmo. I’ve acknowledged that Christian people do wrong things just as others do. I’m afraid I find your post judgmental and I presume you’re not a Christian.

If you had read all my posts on this thread you will have noted that I said I was not a Christian but had been brought up in the C of E.

I only cited two examples because I did not want to bore everybody with along list of misdemeanors.

Oh sorry nanna8, I think I misunderstood.

nanna8

The idea of a church hierarchy makes me feel sick and I am glad it is not the case where I attend. We are all equal before the Lord and no one wears fancy dress or silly collars in my church. It originated in Scotland with John Knox, great man.

I think the Catholics had something to do with it long before John Knox appeared on the scene....

volver3

The fact that its Easter is the point, I think.

Its not mocking Christians or the crucifixion and its not mocking Muslims.

I actually agree with you Volver, they have thought of the time of year and used appropriate symbols. I think it is very clever and as you pointed out up post it is the Saltaire background and they are on the Cross of St Andrew not a Roman or any other way of crucifying.
I look at it two ways they are either crucifying themselves or Crucifying the SNP, take your pick.

Nanna, John Knox is a statue that perpetually glares across the Royal Mile at the statue of David Hume, a much greater man than John Knox.

Depicting the truth about evil is not blasphemy.

The idea of a church hierarchy makes me feel sick and I am glad it is not the case where I attend. We are all equal before the Lord and no one wears fancy dress or silly collars in my church. It originated in Scotland with John Knox, great man.

maddyone

Okay, you’ve made me smile
I’m not blinkered though. Others maybe.

A lovely post Joseanne. And balanced, as was Glorianny’s.
Thank goodness for balance.

A practicing Christian
I think as an adjective it is usually a practising Christian?

I'm sorry some people have bad experiences with members of the clergy, just as some do with teachers, doctors or lawyers. If you had met my ordained minister Grandpa, he would have emphasised the "one another" passages in the Bible, as mentioned above.
Christians usually try to cultivate an atmosphere kindness and love, but I guess no one is perfect.

Christians have been behaving badly for centuries ,think of the treatment of the indigenous peoples allover the world ,forced to dress a different way,change their behaviour and their religion.Children beaten and abused by clerics and nuns ...but not just the catholic church .
You may well say its the job of a "christian" to spread the word BUT is it their job to force it on people who were/are happy with how their lives are ?
The number of shocking things even now coming to light about the christians in North America are heartbreaking.
Anyone who is proud their religion "recruited" new members in these ways is seriously deluded .
If you need to be violent or use brutal threats to convert people to anything then its obvious the thing you're trying to sell them is wrong
No wonder so many are walking away from churches these days

Okay, you’ve made me smile
I’m not blinkered though. Others maybe.

There some very nice Christians and there are some not so nice ones. There are some very nice Muslims and some not so nice ones. Hindus, Buddhists, whatever. But people who are saying that the "not nice Christians" aren't really Christians, are mistaken. Some of them are members of the church hierarchy, and nobody gets to disown them by saying they are not part of the faith they represent.

Also, we've had a lot of discussion on this thread about how a person can't be responsible to how another person feels. Is it OK to say "blinkered?"

I don’t expect you to feel bad, but you could be a little more gracious about it!

I’m sorry about your mother and the awful, judgemental minister.
Gloryanny is right, some Christians are lovely and do sterling work in the community, and others are judgemental and blinkered. Is that too difficult for some people to understand? It’s the same in other religions and the same in the non religious!

My mother was a believer, I'm not.

So it did matter to her.

Doesn't matter to me as I think its all mumbo jumbo, but it matters to me that my mum was upset.

And I'm sorry, I'm not going to feel bad about using a 400 year old proverb. At least I didn't mention motes and planks.

I've met some lovely Christians who do sterling work in the community supporting all sorts of projects, I've also met some who were judgemental and blinkered. But then that' s true for many other religions. I think that people use religion to justify their own actions.
As for the cartoon, it is funny. And making jokes about religion is a long standing tradition in Western society.

And I’m not blind volver, although I have almost no sight in my left eye. I’m not offended, that would be ridiculous as you didn’t know, but maybe bear the words you use in mind.

Yes, some Christians are judgmental, and so are some non Christians. Was your mother a believer volver? If not, it probably didn’t matter to her, and if she was, then I find that totally unacceptable and judgemental. And not true!

nanna8

Sorry but that is a load of rubbish and totally opposite to my experience of practicing Christians. Not a single one of the hundreds of ones I have met are like that and those that are, in the UK, shouldn’t actually be described as Christians but ‘nominals’. I assume you mean C of E ? It doesn’t fit with the church I go to at all.

A practicing Christian - an ordained minister or whatever they call themselves - told my recently bereaved mother that her mother hadn't gone to heaven because she didn't go the "right" church, and that she'd never see her again.

There's none so blind as those Grans that will not see.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
Matthew 7: 1-3

You have cited two examples Dinahmo. I’ve acknowledged that Christian people do wrong things just as others do. I’m afraid I find your post judgmental and I presume you’re not a Christian.

Sorry but that is a load of rubbish and totally opposite to my experience of practicing Christians. Not a single one of the hundreds of ones I have met are like that and those that are, in the UK, shouldn’t actually be described as Christians but ‘nominals’. I assume you mean C of E ? It doesn’t fit with the church I go to at all.

Of course many people do behave badly towards other people but they don't go around telling you what religion they are.

I will give you two examples.

A friend who made everyone aware of her Christianity used to complain that she was always being attacked because she was a Christian. I believe that the Bible tells us "Thou shalt not commit adultery" . This woman had an affair with the husband of another woman, over a long period time. Her friends were not bothered by this, other than the fact that she was preaching Christian morality to the rest of us.

Far more seriously, IMO, was my mother's case. My parents were regular church goers. After my father died, she could no longer go to her regular church because it was a car drive away so she went to the local church. Whilst there she started to cry and NOONE had the decency to offer any help or ask if she was OK. That was the last time that she went to church until her funeral. Before you ask, none of her children lived with her so she went to church on her own.

It is Christians who let you know that they are Christians - as above. It's a bit like people from Yorkshire who invariably preface their speech by telling you where they come from. Does anyone else tell you, without being asked, which county they are from? Didn't Jesus tell you turn the other cheek?