Newspapers influence on voting in the EU referendum of 2016

People had to be consulted on leaving the EU but not on any other matter.
I believe more people would be against the death penalty than for it it any case. Don’t worry tho, won’t happen, nor will bear baiting or otter hunting or legal dog fights or legal bare knuckle boxing.

The death penalty question is complex, there are nuances and unintended consequences involved, and so it is not a question that should ever be the subject of a yes/no question in a referendum. It is all too easy for a single appalling murder to be highlighted to whip up emotion.

The question of the UK membership of the EU is infinitely more complex and should never have been the subject of a referendum. The most ridiculous mantra we've heard repeated many times is "we knew exactly what we were voting for".

Nobody knew.

Somebody, anybody - can you copy this please and note the date? Just for future reference...

We would never be given a referendum on bringing back the death penalty, so it won’t happen.

Well yes I might too but it would be the 'will of the people' and that is the best system we have. Referendums are a different matter I think.

I'd emigrate.

If a party's manifesto included a return to the death penalty and they won an election what would you suggest as an alternative system.

FGS Fleurpepper I don’t know about proof reading your own posts but how about reading mine properly.
Then you needn’t worry about asking me for Brexit benefits since I didn’t vote for it.Or thinking I’m bothered by insults either since I don’t get any as I’m not one who voted to leave the EU.
See what I mean here?
I suspect Galaxy means much the same as I do btw in that there’s insults directed at DM readers and Leave voters calling them thick by any other name yet some patronising sympathy also directed at the working classes at the same time.As long as they stay in their place tho I bet.

volver3

As I have been known to say in the past...

A majority might be in favour of the death penalty but that doesn't make it right.

Ahh, volver, but what about 'the will of the people'?

After all, we repeatedly told that that was the reason we absolutely must implement the result of an advisory referendum which would have been rerun had it been mandatory.

If a majority are in favour of the death penalty then surely the 'will of the people' must be carried out?

Galaxy

Urms said recently she was taking a break from GN dickens.

Yes, and she’s in Malaga

Urms said recently she was taking a break from GN dickens.

Well yes that's a point against referendums which I would agree are bad things.

As I have been known to say in the past...

A majority might be in favour of the death penalty but that doesn't make it right.

Foxyglove, in all fairness, the Scotts knew, and voted largely against.

Fleurpepper

Oreo

This whole subject is a merry go round VioletSky on every forum there is.
Maybe in ten years it will all go quiet.There was a vote, it didn’t go the way I or lots of other people thought was the right choice, but lots of other people thought their choice was the best, and that was over a million more than voted to stay in the EU.
For seven years after that forums have been ablaze with the ones who voted to stay in the EU gunning for those that didn’t, throwing insults at them right left and centre.
We all know this, we all see this, it’s a fact of life.As I said, the permanently pissed off.

Sorry, but I don't think you quite understand how the vast majority now feels, even if they voted for Brexit.

If Brexit had delivered any good effect on the UK since 2016- people would have gone quiet already, and the majority of those who voted for Brexit would not still be in favour. And those of us whom you very rudely call 'the permanently pissed off' (whilst at the same time complaining about having insults thrown at you, oh the irony!) - would have gone quiet and said 'ah well, at least we can see that there are positives' and enjoy the good news.

I shall be told off for being insistent, I know- but we have been asking for over 6 years for a list of benefits of Brexit- and I don't know why, it never, ever comes. Just slips through the net ... somehow. Please, do provide one.

Apologies- should always careful proof read! Of course I meant 'the majority who voted for Brexit would still be in favour (and not now turned against it).

It would be unrealistic to try to pretend any news organs are entirely unbiased. Of course something the BBC should be as it is funded by taxpayers money, but fat chance.
However I believe we have a responsibility to read widely, check facts, be aware of bias but not unduly influenced by it and learn to discriminate between truth and prejudice or gossip.
You don’t achieve that without a wide range of source material. Social media is NOT the way as the algorithms ensure that what we are exposed to merely reinforces our prejudices.
So we can’t blame the DM, DT, Boris’s bus or anybody else. I remember before the referendum directing GNetters to an online lecture by a very well informed pro Remain speaker who set out the facts and likely consequences clearly and in no uncertain terms. One reply I got was that the poster in question “couldn’t be bothered to waste 10 minutes listening to it”
As the Scottish story goes
“Lord, we didna ken , we didna ken”

“Well ye ken noo!”

Has anyone seen Urmstongran around?

I only mention this because she usually pops up on the N&P threads and I haven't seen any posts from her recently.

She might be on holiday of course, but I always worry slightly when a well-known poster seems to disappear.

Germanshepherdsmum

👏👏👏 volver.

- 👏👏👏 from me also.

Galaxy

It showed us which people hate the class which they pretend to want to 'help'.

I'm actually finding this post very difficult to comprehend. Who are the 'people who hate the class they pretend to want to help'?

I would interpret that as being the tory leavers who told us that sunlit uplands awaited us when we left the EU, with more and better paid jobs, better food, animal welfare and environmental standards and everything much cheaper.

But I might be wrong as Galaxy is continually telling us off for talking about other sections of the population the wrong way.

Brexit is a total failure.

It is just a question of waiting for the slow lane to catch up, and then we can face the issue head on.

👏👏👏 volver.

I don't want to "help" unrepentant Leavers. They've ruined the country and I'm not charitable enough to forgive them. Neither am I patronising enough to say that they were led astray and it's not their fault.

It showed us which people hate the class which they pretend to want to 'help'.

Oreo

This whole subject is a merry go round VioletSky on every forum there is.
Maybe in ten years it will all go quiet.There was a vote, it didn’t go the way I or lots of other people thought was the right choice, but lots of other people thought their choice was the best, and that was over a million more than voted to stay in the EU.
For seven years after that forums have been ablaze with the ones who voted to stay in the EU gunning for those that didn’t, throwing insults at them right left and centre.
We all know this, we all see this, it’s a fact of life.As I said, the permanently pissed off.

Sorry, but I don't think you quite understand how the vast majority now feels, even if they voted for Brexit.

If Brexit had delivered any good effect on the UK since 2016- people would have gone quiet already, and the majority of those who voted for Brexit would not still be in favour. And those of us whom you very rudely call 'the permanently pissed off' (whilst at the same time complaining about having insults thrown at you, oh the irony!) - would have gone quiet and said 'ah well, at least we can see that there are positives' and enjoy the good news.

I shall be told off for being insistent, I know- but we have been asking for over 6 years for a list of benefits of Brexit- and I don't know why, it never, ever comes. Just slips through the net ... somehow. Please, do provide one.

We are all influenced by what we read, hear and the company we keep. Newspapers keep going because of their influence. Look at the avalanche of negativity poured on Corbyn. Was that really warranted? Did the negativity have no impact?