Newspapers influence on voting in the EU referendum of 2016

Well it did Fleurpepper. And it’s rude.

volver3

^It’s so disrespectful to keep panning people who voted out. Like we’re some kind of dumb-assed morons.^

I'm saying nothing. 🤐

Now that was very rude and personal, and didn't come from either Volver or me, lol. Leave you to it.

No Volver3, you’re not sorry in the least. It’s what you enjoy - trying to make others look small because they don’t have the same views as you.

The very fact that you are asking me if I did any stats Volver3 is funny!

Did you learn all that in sociology?

I am sick fed up of people who parrot the "that's not enough people" trope without the slightest regard to statistical sampling. And sorry, you're one.

Volver3 well if you are being personal I forgive you. You are so rude and often quite unpleasant to others that I think it must be awful to go through life like that. It’s one thing to have a discussion but once you get personal, as you are, you’ve lost your argument.

Did you do any stats?

Do you have a grasp of the concept of quantitative margins of error?

Can you explain representative sampling? This'll help: www.investopedia.com/terms/r/representative-sample.asp#:~:text=A%20representative%20sample%20is%20a,

Having actually worked for a while as a market analyst, I'm amused at your defence.

Compared to the disaster we are facing right now, very very little.

We have asked so often, but no-one has yet given a list of Brexit positives. And we have been told we are rude for asking again. Got your list ready?

Fleurpepper how much would we continued to have lost had we stayed in? Quite a bit to say the least.

challenge those perhaps

We send £350m a week to Brussels
We can’t stop Turkey joining
We can’t stop a European army
We are still liable to pay eurozone bailouts
The UK rebate can be changed against our will
Our VAT exemptions will be ended
Cameron’s deal was not legally binding
EU law is adopted by unelected bureaucrats
We can’t control our borders in the EU
Criminals arriving in Germany can get EU passports and come over here
Health tourism costs us billions
EU needs UK trade more than vice versa
Past referendum results have been ignored
Auditors still refuse to sign off the accounts
CAP adds £400 to British food bills
British steel suffers because of the EU
Irish border will be unaffected by Brexit
UK can’t deport EU criminals
UK is always outvoted
60-70% of laws come from EU
Renationalisation of industries is impossible
We get no veto on future treaty change or integration
The budget ceiling can increase without our consent
We thought we were only joining a free trade zone

So Volver3 you’re saying I’m not intelligent because I’m challenging a survey of 7,000 in a population of over 67,500,000. Having studied sociology at degree level I’m quite amused at your accusation.

Can you dismiss too that the campaign was so full of lies and influenced by foreign owned Press and money, including Russia- that had the Referendum been official rather then advisory, the Electoral Commission would have had to annul it. FACT.

There is no disrespect in stating facts. And I never used the words you use or inferred it either. FACTS are just that, facts. The lies were so numerous and so massive, and most people have now accepted this.

How much have we lost since due to Brexit?

It’s so disrespectful to keep panning people who voted out. Like we’re some kind of dumb-assed morons.

I'm saying nothing. 🤐

No Fleurpepper, I do not believe it. Yes there were some untruths but that was on both sides. It’s so disrespectful to keep panning people who voted out. Like we’re some kind of dumb-assed morons. We’re out. We’re not going back in any time soon. We were done over by the EU recently with a £2billion fine. Good riddance to them in their current form.

Intelligent people know what representative sampling is though, and know not to trash a survey with 7,000+ respondents because it doesn't suit their preconceptions.

Perhaps we could look at how not to be insulting and referring to intelligent people as being hard of thinking?? Or is that too much to ask for?

sorry Gillycats- why should we when it is hurting us so much. This is not 'just about different views'.

People didn't know what they were voting for- as no-one knew what Brexit would be.

And people were lied to, massively.

Do you actually not believe this?

I wasn't on Gransnet years ago, but I believe there use to be sort of "sponsored online meeting" things. I believe there was one with Gisela Stuart?

Do you think we can have one that explains to the hard of thinking how representative sampling works, so we put a stop to this daft "that's not enough people" complaint?

This survey was completed by 7,000 people, it’s pretty meaningless. Less than a quarter of the population read newspapers. Just another article trying to ridicule pro-Brexit voters. It doesn’t wash. I wonder if we’ll get the same thing for the upcoming local elections ie ‘people didn’t know what they were voting for’, ‘they were lied to’ etc. It’s so disrespectful to not accept others views. Agree to differ and move on.

Good topic varian, and well done on finding that stat.

@Varian I don't think it is at all unusual to have a healthy curiosity in current affairs and politics etc, to access one's information from a variety of reputable sources , to read critically using one's intelligence and life experience to get as close to the truth as possible.
An education in politics and philosophy and a background in the news media may have helped but there is no substitute for common sense

Nanatoone

My daughter reliably informs me that her generation couldn’t be bothered to vote as they didn’t think it had anything to do with them! She voted naturally. My girls have been taught how important your vote is.

Perhaps you could ask your daughter for the source of her reliable information?

A Sky Data tweet suggested, in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, that c34% of 18-24 year olds who were registered to vote did so. This statistic was widely used by the media - and the Leave campaign - at the time and for some time afterwards. However, as a second - massively ignored - tweet by Sky Data explained, that figure was based on asking young people, in 2015, if they always voted.

Better research, by the LSE amongst others, showed, after weighting the study results to match the actual overall turnout of 72 per cent, that turnout was 64 per cent for 18-24 year-olds and 65 per cent for 25-39 year-olds. This was almost identical for 40-54 year-olds (66 per cent), but below the 74 per cent for the 55-64 bracket, and the 90 per cent for those over 65.

Foxygloves

I certainly don’t think the newspapers I read affect my thinking but I dare say there are others who accept verbatim the trash peddled by the red tops

But here we go again on Brexit. {sigh}

If that is so, Foxygloves, and you are never in any way, even to the slightest extent, influenced bu the newspapers you read, you are on of a very small minority of newspapers readers.

Why do you think that is?

Foxygloves

I certainly don’t think the newspapers I read affect my thinking but I dare say there are others who accept verbatim the trash peddled by the red tops

But here we go again on Brexit. {sigh}

And racism and migrants and Harry and Megan and all the other ridiculous headlines pushed out by these papers.