Newspapers influence on voting in the EU referendum of 2016

Dinahmo

GrannyRose15

Greta

Oreo, "the permanently pissed off "will eventually include the whole nation. Brexit isn't finished yet. Will you be proud of the legacy you'll be leaving your children, grandchildren and future generations? They will certainly want to know what on earth possessed 52% of voters to sign up to this madness.

No they won’t. Because by the time my grandchildren are grown they will understand the value of being an independent sovereign state that can stand up for freedom everywhere.

The UK is now a nation that used to punch above its weight but can no longer do so. It is shrinking in the eyes of the rest of the world - witness Biden's 24 hours in Northern Ireland of which apparently 9 hours were spent asleep. Biden only managed to drink a cup of coffee with Sunak.

Biden in Ireland😂
Nothing to do with the thread subject but was amused and horrified to read that the ‘leader of the free world’ confused the NZ rugby team with the black and tans.Maybe he’d had one Guinness too many, gawd knows what the crowd in the pub thought.

Oh FP, they'll come after you for that "run"! 😉

Foxygloves

Fleurpepper

Foxyglove, in all fairness, the Scotts knew, and voted largely against.

@*Fleurpepper*. You clearly have no knowledge of the context of my quote. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland/referenda/Brexit.

Well here it is 'As the Scottish story goes
“Lord, we didna ken , we didna ken”

“Well ye ken noo!”'

and I just picked it up and run with it, lol.

Lassie I ken, I ken.... 🤦🏼‍♀️

The anecdote predates Brexit by many many years, possibly even centuries and goes as follows ;
There was in times gone by a Scottish minister who preached on sin, the torments of hell and how the unrighteous in their agonies would claim ignorance of the consequences of their sinfulness:

"Oh Lord, we didnae ken, we didnae ken" (=know) they would wail.
He continued:
"And the Lord in his infinite mercy will say (pause) " Well ye ken noo “

My father told me that perhaps 70:years ago and his father had told him.

Brexit (and indeed the Scottish Independence referendum) were not even twinkles in their daddies’ eyes.

Nothing to do with Scotland/referenda/Brexit?

I remember before the referendum directing GNetters to an online lecture by a very well informed pro Remain speaker who set out the facts and likely consequences clearly and in no uncertain terms. One reply I got was that the poster in question “couldn’t be bothered to waste 10 minutes listening to it”
As the Scottish story goes
“Lord, we didna ken , we didna ken”

“Well ye ken noo!”

Aye, we kint. We tried to tell ye, but ye wouldna listen….

Fleurpepper

Foxyglove, in all fairness, the Scotts knew, and voted largely against.

@*Fleurpepper*. You clearly have no knowledge of the context of my quote. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland/referenda/Brexit.

GrannyGravy13

Dickens

Has anyone seen Urmstongran around?

I only mention this because she usually pops up on the N&P threads and I haven't seen any posts from her recently.

She might be on holiday of course, but I always worry slightly when a well-known poster seems to disappear.

Urmstongran is absolutely fine and dandy enjoying spending time with her family.

She is not in Malaga FannyCornworth she is in the U.K.

Good to hear GG13... thanks!

Galaxy

Urms said recently she was taking a break from GN dickens.

Thanks Galaxy!

GrannyGravy13

Dickens

Has anyone seen Urmstongran around?

I only mention this because she usually pops up on the N&P threads and I haven't seen any posts from her recently.

She might be on holiday of course, but I always worry slightly when a well-known poster seems to disappear.

Urmstongran is absolutely fine and dandy enjoying spending time with her family.

She is not in Malaga FannyCornworth she is in the U.K.

😄 sounds like what MPs do.

Thanks GGravy, sorry about that. Give my best to Urms

In my opinion Brexit has been a disaster and it will take years to repair the damage. I don't blame those who voted for it regardless of their reasons or feelings for so doing but it's clear to me there is a growing realisation that it was a mistake. I do, however, think our elected politicians were shabby in passing the buck to the population when they are so well-paid to take decisions on our behalf, pay which has easily risen ahead of inflation. And I blame the politicians who used the Brexit debate to feather their own nests.

nanna8

Benefit of Brexit - treating the Australians like people who might be worth trade deals with instead of letting them down as they did in the past ? A free trade deal signed in 2021 but on past experience I wouldn’t trust it at all .

That’s not, of course, a benefit for the UK. In fact the terms are such that it’s bad news for
British farmers, our environmental protections, and our animal welfare standards.

And its economic benefit is minuscule for us, both absolutely and relation to losses caused by Brexit.

GrannyRose15

Greta

Oreo, "the permanently pissed off "will eventually include the whole nation. Brexit isn't finished yet. Will you be proud of the legacy you'll be leaving your children, grandchildren and future generations? They will certainly want to know what on earth possessed 52% of voters to sign up to this madness.

No they won’t. Because by the time my grandchildren are grown they will understand the value of being an independent sovereign state that can stand up for freedom everywhere.

The UK is now a nation that used to punch above its weight but can no longer do so. It is shrinking in the eyes of the rest of the world - witness Biden's 24 hours in Northern Ireland of which apparently 9 hours were spent asleep. Biden only managed to drink a cup of coffee with Sunak.

Oreo

Just tellin’ it how it is on forums VioletSky and has been for the last 7 years.

Why do you think that is?

Benefit of Brexit - treating the Australians like people who might be worth trade deals with instead of letting them down as they did in the past ? A free trade deal signed in 2021 but on past experience I wouldn’t trust it at all .

Galaxy

Well because that's the current democratic system we have in this country.

It's equating our current FPTP system with 'the will of the people' that bothers me. Who are 'the people'? the minority who voted 'for' or the majority who voted against?

I would accept that under our current system of democracy the manifesto promise could legitimately be executed. What I don't accept is that it would be 'the will of the people' when the pro vote was that of a minority.

I think 'the will of the people' is a very dangerous concept.

Well because that's the current democratic system we have in this country.

Galaxy

Well yes I might too but it would be the 'will of the people' and that is the best system we have. Referendums are a different matter I think.

So how would you square that with the current government if restoring the death penalty had been on their manifesto?

Because far more of 'the people' voted against them than for them.

Two hapless PMs, GG13?

Which 3 of the 5 Tory Prime Ministers since 2016 were not hapless? And how have they improved the UK’s post-Brexit position?

Galaxy

Well yes that's a point against referendums which I would agree are bad things.

Mixed feelings about referendums. But one thing is for sure, is that any Referendum has to be put with very precise terms of what it would mean and actually be- with all pros and cons clearly put forward and fact checked by all main parties and every household provided with such, and Press and outside powers not allowed to print and put forward clear lies.

And NO PM shoud be able to promise that a decision based on a stupid YES/NO Referendum, without any of the above implemented, and legally only adivisory- should be implemented.

I am not asking anyone in particular to give a list of Brexit benefits. Anyone who can provide a list that makes any sense will do. We have been asking and asking again for a very long time. And all we get is being told off for asking again and being persistent.

Sorry premature posting.

It’s well known in here that I voted to leave. It’s a work in progress which has been hampered by a global epidemic, war in Ukraine and two hapless PM’s.

varian

The death penalty question is complex, there are nuances and unintended consequences involved, and so it is not a question that should ever be the subject of a yes/no question in a referendum. It is all too easy for a single appalling murder to be highlighted to whip up emotion.

The question of the UK membership of the EU is infinitely more complex and should never have been the subject of a referendum. The most ridiculous mantra we've heard repeated many times is "we knew exactly what we were voting for".

Nobody knew.

Blimey, I find myself in total agreement with you volver3

David Cameron rolled over to appease the right of the Conservative Party by giving the U.K. the referendum, they never thought it would achieve a leave vote.

It is obvious now that they were not prepared in any way for the result, which is in my opinion the reason David Cameron ran for the hills immediately.

Dickens

Has anyone seen Urmstongran around?

I only mention this because she usually pops up on the N&P threads and I haven't seen any posts from her recently.

She might be on holiday of course, but I always worry slightly when a well-known poster seems to disappear.

Urmstongran is absolutely fine and dandy enjoying spending time with her family.

She is not in Malaga FannyCornworth she is in the U.K.