Senior Tories want Braverman to stop her racist rhetoric

Braverman is Sunak's voice to the anti-immigration and racist elements in the population. She keeps their attention and support for the Tories while he plays the one nation card to the rest.

And, no, the country shouldn't be building more houses specifically for people who arrive on small boats. It should be building more houses and have a proper housing policy in place anyway. The people arriving on the small boats might even include people who could help build them, as there's a general shortage of people in the building industry. They make up a very small percentage of those needing housing - and aren't even the biggest group of immigrants to the country.

Just because "Test and Trace" worked for one person (out of 66 million) doesn't mean that it worked as a system or justified the amount it cost.

choughdancer

volver3

GrannyRose15

What do you think are the main problems facing the country then, MayBee70? Housing shortage? Lack of school places? An overwhelmed NHS? Low pay? High taxes? Couldn’t all these be eased if there were fewer people in the country?

Can I answer? Maybee will probably come along later.

Underfunded NHS, polluted environment, disastrous economic situation, cost of living crisis.

Perhaps you will explain how 50,000 people arriving in the UK caused that? (That's just 0.07% of the population, by the way, and the £6million it is costing a day is £2bn a year which is less than 5% of what we squandered on a Test and Trace system that doesn't work. )

This.

They didn't cause that, but are greatly exacerbating the problem. Are you all saying we should build more houses just to accommodate these people. Does any other country do this. Test and trace did work, or how come I and others got notified. Only time it didn't work, people refused to use it.

MaizieD

^So it is alright to rely on immigration instead of training enough people to do the jobs that need doing. We have had that attitude in the NHS for over seventy years^

Just remind me, GrannyRose, which party in government abolished the bursaries for nurses, discouraging them from entering the profession with the prospect of having to pay back their student loans out of the poor wages it offers. And which party in government froze those wages?

I appreciate that you don't think that we've had 'proper' tory governments for the last 13 years, so what would a 'proper' tory government have done?

Exactly.

volver3

GrannyRose15

What do you think are the main problems facing the country then, MayBee70? Housing shortage? Lack of school places? An overwhelmed NHS? Low pay? High taxes? Couldn’t all these be eased if there were fewer people in the country?

Can I answer? Maybee will probably come along later.

Underfunded NHS, polluted environment, disastrous economic situation, cost of living crisis.

Perhaps you will explain how 50,000 people arriving in the UK caused that? (That's just 0.07% of the population, by the way, and the £6million it is costing a day is £2bn a year which is less than 5% of what we squandered on a Test and Trace system that doesn't work. )

This.

Braverman's unwillingness to establish safe and legal routes for asylum seekers - including likely refugees from Sudan - says it all.

She's in the position she's in, promoted way beyond her ability, because she's a "useful idiot" for the Conservative Party, or more specifically for the government. Look, we have a dark-skinned Home Secretary, we can't be racist! Dark-skinned people come from a wide variety of backgrounds and there's not a lot of love lost between some of them (especially for Pakistani Muslims). She's from a very middle-class Kenyan/Mauritian India background and she married wealth, so has little in common with working-class Asian and Caribbean people in deprived communities, but that is a subtlety lost on the target audiences in Stoke and Hartlepool.

Yes, they do, I've just looked it up MaizieD. Do you recall quite recently the official visit of a politician from Perth, specifically over to recruit UK trained doctors?

Here's a key agency working over there (and here)
www.austrade.gov.au/australian/tourism/develop-your-workforce/recruit-overseas-workers

Sadly, nanna8, I expect that most posters on this site are not able to address this problem of lowering birthrates directly any longer.

nanna8

Not so long ago we were being encouraged to have at least 3 children here - one each and one for our country. Now we just import people and let other countries raise them and train them.

Are you talking about the UK or Australia?

Or do both countries have the same problem; aging population not being replaced by its own citizens?

Not so long ago we were being encouraged to have at least 3 children here - one each and one for our country. Now we just import people and let other countries raise them and train them.

Braverman's propaganda is calculated to appeal to the most racist voters, now and in a future leadership contest. Sunak should sack her immediately.

Suella Braverman is doing a sterling job of explaining to us why all of the woes in modern Britain are due to immigration, of course. GrannyRose is very exercised by housing shortages and the NHS under pressure, which seem to be attributed to arrivals at our shores. Sadly, this is not so, and as I have posted before, these problems are exacerbated by us, dear GNetters. We are living longer in our homes, living sicker and requiring lots of medical and social care. Demographics do not lie. Oh - and the problems will continue as more of us tip over into extreme old age, and the newborns won't be there to fund us ( current rate of reproduction is just over 1.5 children per couple)

GrannyRose15

Better than sounding like a communist.

What is a communist? Do you actually know what real Marxism is, not the term being used carelessly for far left.

Genuine question. I was brought up by idealistic communists and studied politics and economics at uni, and am fed up with this careless use of the word.

Braverman has repeatedly used racially charged language in her response to various issues, including immigration, grooming, and law-breaking in general. I believe that her comments are carefully framed to appeal to the unpleasant, base instincts of a small, yet still politically influential portion of the populace. I think that she has also recognised that as regards the next General Election, the Tory party is a dead man walking, and that she is positioning herself to take over from a defeated Sunak. What a very deep hole we are in right now, and frankly, I don't have much faith that Starmer and Co. have the tools to dig us out of it. However, it's on the cards that they'll certainly get the chance next time around..

Freya5, where are you going with this? If you disagree with AC you must think that Suella Braverman's behaviour and language is acceptable. So just say you support her.

growstuff

He doesn't have to have suggestions for solving it. He's not even in opposition. He's commenting on Braverman's behaviour and inflammatory rhetoric and I agree with his observation.

Just because people don't like Campbell doesn't make Braverman right.

Doesn't make him right either.

Beyond the pale not plan

I don't understand why it wasn't OK to have "not in my name" Iraq posters in our windows.

I hope Braverman is "shuffled out" but can't see it happening somehow. her remarks were beyond the plan as far as I'm concerned. The Baroness Warsi interview on Women's Hour was brilliant (read summary here)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65261172

GrannyRose15

So it is alright to rely on immigration instead of training enough people to do the jobs that need doing. We have had that attitude in the NHS for over seventy years and look where we are now. Labour is supposed to be the champion of the NHS but has been prepared to keep wages and costs low by using a foreign trained workforce. An absolute disgrace in my opinion.

And it’s this government that seems to have put a cap on the number of doctors that can be trained. What do you make of that?

And on the subject of social housing, we wouldn't have quite such a shortage now if Thatcher hadn't insisted on selling off council housing very cheaply (to buy votes) and not allowing councils to build more social housing with the proceeds...

Leaving provision to 'the market' hasn't worked very well, has it?

So it is alright to rely on immigration instead of training enough people to do the jobs that need doing. We have had that attitude in the NHS for over seventy years

Just remind me, GrannyRose, which party in government abolished the bursaries for nurses, discouraging them from entering the profession with the prospect of having to pay back their student loans out of the poor wages it offers. And which party in government froze those wages?

I appreciate that you don't think that we've had 'proper' tory governments for the last 13 years, so what would a 'proper' tory government have done?

GrannyRose15

So it is alright to rely on immigration instead of training enough people to do the jobs that need doing. We have had that attitude in the NHS for over seventy years and look where we are now. Labour is supposed to be the champion of the NHS but has been prepared to keep wages and costs low by using a foreign trained workforce. An absolute disgrace in my opinion.

There aren't enough people to do the lowest paid jobs. That’s why there are over 1m job vacancies. There has been 13 years in power for the Tories to address historical skills shortages in the NHS. How long do you think they need?

Def not right to rely on immigration instead of training, by any government.