Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?

Wyllow3

Whitewavemark2

I now have a vision of grany frantically trawling through the media etc. to try to find another smear story about Starmer.😄😄😄

Its all done for you these days with a few specially selected sources.

I agree with Willow. Grany goes to other sites and takes their words as gospel. Heaven help us when AI is around making it up. If you cannot research, and Grany, it is different from quoting the bits that suit your argument. You really are supposed to understand both sides of the argument in order to present a reasonable one for your own views.

Grany

declassifieduk.org/revealed-keir-starmer-billed-taxpayer-nearly-250000-for-travel-expenses-at-cps/

This gives details.

Starmer accusing Torries of expenses claims

Whitewavemark2 yes seems like it though to me Starmer comes across as very untrustworthy who lies a lot. I look for and find truth not smears plenty of evidence out there.

What expenses claim has Starmer referred to Grany?

That's it.

Is that a promise, Grany?

Mind you, you still haven't answered my question about the Rule of Law. Lawyers have to conform to it.

I will list why I think Starmer will be worse than the Tories.
He copied the polices RLB anounced in leadership contest and won on socialist 10 pledges. Reneged on them all once leader.
Hired Martin Forde a top barister to write the report. Completely ignored the report which listed his 163 recommendations, found a hierarchy of racism in the Labour Party, while giving more prominence to AS which means getting rid of life long anti racist Jewish members, also interfered in the selection process so no left leaning members would be chosen no mater how good able they were. So now it's just the right wing no broad church so now establishment will allow him into government.
He is a member of the trilateral commission which does not believe in democracy.
As DPP he was on the side of the establishment meaning JA the Wikileaks founder revealing what America was doing, proper journalism. He didn't help him a lot of emails of his case gone. The Austic chap Starmer said he promised America he would extradite him, his mother begged him not to. Mrs May PM stepped in stopped extradition etc.
If the papers or media disagree with him in government he will do their bidding with no one on the left to stop him. Public ownership, taxing the very rich, no privatisation in our NHS are popular with the people not Starmer, so nothing will change he will not rock the boat. We desperately need transformative change in this country. Lots of videos of Starmer saying one thing then the opposite. Lots have left his Labour Party so many saying they won't vote for him tory. So when if he's in power see how he and his right wing Party does ok. That's it.

Wyllow3

Whitewavemark2

I now have a vision of grany frantically trawling through the media etc. to try to find another smear story about Starmer.😄😄😄

Its all done for you these days with a few specially selected sources.

ScandalmonGrany.

Whitewavemark2

I now have a vision of grany frantically trawling through the media etc. to try to find another smear story about Starmer.😄😄😄

Its all done for you these days with a few specially selected sources.

declassifieduk.org/revealed-keir-starmer-billed-taxpayer-nearly-250000-for-travel-expenses-at-cps/

This gives details.

Starmer accusing Torries of expenses claims

Whitewavemark2 yes seems like it though to me Starmer comes across as very untrustworthy who lies a lot. I look for and find truth not smears plenty of evidence out there.

care car

Dinahmo

Grany

This story is in the papers now.

As DPP Starmer would have been required to travel all over the country and abroad for conferences imagine. This would include rail costs, hotel costs and subsistence plus car running (HMRC's rate is 40p per mile. it soon mounts up).

He used a chauffeur driven car - so what? Aren't you aware that many business people work when being driven. Haven't you seen them in the first class compartments on trains?

Starmer was DPP for 5 years so his expenses claims would have been less than £50k per year.

In other walks of life that care would have been called a hire car and driver, Dinahmo. Interesting the need to refer to it as chauffeur driven. Clever people these journalists

I now have a vision of grany frantically trawling through the media etc. to try to find another smear story about Starmer.😄😄😄

Grany

This story is in the papers now.

As DPP Starmer would have been required to travel all over the country and abroad for conferences imagine. This would include rail costs, hotel costs and subsistence plus car running (HMRC's rate is 40p per mile. it soon mounts up).

He used a chauffeur driven car - so what? Aren't you aware that many business people work when being driven. Haven't you seen them in the first class compartments on trains?

Starmer was DPP for 5 years so his expenses claims would have been less than £50k per year.

Grany

This story is in the papers now.

Has it not occurred to you that those papers want Labour to lose just as much as you do, Grany. The reason you read them is that they sing to your bias.

This is no different to the recent Fox News case where the editors decided/were told (who knows) that to make profits, they must give the people what they wanted. Not the truth or reasoned argument but an enhancement of the bias they already have. That is what these newspapers are doing. They don't care a jot about truth, facts, accountability or democracy. And you just repeat what they say and believe them. It is almost as if you choose to be gullible; these biased sources are certainly gulling you.

You are allowed that bias as much as the rest of us are allowed ours. But you really need to see it for what it is if you are ever to know the truth.

Grany

This story is in the personal now. From Declasified amongst others if you care to look it up. Goes into detail. But like I said chicken feed compared to what the royals cost the tax payer.

It was first reported in 2010 - and what did we have in 2010, another election. An election you equally wanted Labour to lose, I assume Grany.

No case was brought against Starmer, he had done nothing wrong. So what is your problem now, with something that happened over 13 years ago?

This story is in the papers now.

This story is in the personal now. From Declasified amongst others if you care to look it up. Goes into detail. But like I said chicken feed compared to what the royals cost the tax payer.

Ah, Grany has been reading the Daily Mail and repeated its words.

Grany

Starmer was found out by the media to be using a chauffeur, billing tax payer over £100,000 in 21 months, when found out he stopped and carried on for three more years as DPP. Starmer supposedly being about probity, integrity, personal conduct to bring up Tory expenses.
value for money you should think about your own value for money expense claims. Its in a lot of the papers now.

This too may be a joke - or not. The Tories, including Grany, seem to have dug up this story, which died a death years ago, in order to deflect the flack from Sunak.

Your bias really does seem to be to support those who have created the miserable conditions in this country Grany. I don't, after all, think the Green's will suit you. Only the hard right will attack those you seem to want to undermine.

Sir Keir Starmer, the likely next UK prime minister, spent nearly a quarter of a million pounds of public money on travel expenses during his five years as head of England and Wales’ public prosecutor, it can be revealed.

The revelations are sure to embarrass Labour, which recently published a study of spending on UK government debit cards saying this showed the Tories using public money “like a cash machine”.

Labour accused the Conservative government of overseeing “lavish spending” on hotels, hospitality and other costs using taxpayer-funded debit cards.

Starmer said last month: “With my Labour government, every pound will be precious”

It's chicken feed really over five years, though the next DPP also did five years and her travel expenses were a third of the cost. Compare the 'royals' spending public money daily on themselves, they cost the taxpayer £345 million a year.

grany you are doing a very good job for the Tories - don’t look at the dreadful government record - instead look at what a DPP claimed in expenses as a public servant.

Perhaps you need to argue against any public servant claiming expenses going about government business.

Grany

Starmer was found out by the media to be using a chauffeur, billing tax payer over £100,000 in 21 months, when found out he stopped and carried on for three more years as DPP. Starmer supposedly being about probity, integrity, personal conduct to bring up Tory expenses.
value for money you should think about your own value for money expense claims. Its in a lot of the papers now.

He did nothing wrong though - that is the point - there is no scandal unless you are saying that he should not have made any expenses claim to which as DPP he was entitled.

If you are saying it is morally wrong, then that is a different argument. But bear in mind that he was not a politician and as a public servant he was claiming expenses to which many public servants are entitled - I am sure there are grans who claimed what they were entitled to in expenses - I include myself in that.

Starmer was found out by the media to be using a chauffeur, billing tax payer over £100,000 in 21 months, when found out he stopped and carried on for three more years as DPP. Starmer supposedly being about probity, integrity, personal conduct to bring up Tory expenses.
value for money you should think about your own value for money expense claims. Its in a lot of the papers now.

Whitewavemark2

As an aside. I have read a couple of articles relating to the latest twitter “ads” been put out by The Labour Party. I have eventually come to the conclusion that they are wrong to follow the Tory lead and attack at a personal level as the Tories do and have done over the years. To me going down this populist divisive road I can never end well. I am aware that companies like CM Saatchi support this Labour initiative arguing that it shows that Labour is prepared to take the fight to the Tories, particularly as it is known that the Tories are preparing to fight really dirty leading up to the election. But I feel very uneasy.

I think Starmer should be bigger than that quite frankly.

The expenses issue is another red herring, Starmer did nothing wrong - there is no scandal.

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Grany

Today 10:53paddyann54

Oh dear Molly of course Starmer would "allow" a holiday ,he's a SIR so he obviously agrees with the monarchy or he'd have refused an Empire title/medal .
THATS one of the reasons many labour or previous labour voters wont vote for him that and his pro israeli stance to the extent palestinian supporting jews were accused of anti semitism and barred from a party they had been members of for decades.
No skin of my nose the pro palestinian jews I know joined the SNP who dont accept honours or think Israel is in any way justified in the treatment of the Palestinian people .Aparty that sees being anti Israeli government is NOT anti semitic .
Of course SNP is a mess....according to media and Gransnet ,unlike your own squeaky clean government...where are the billions given to Tory donors ,relatives and even a friendly pub owner ?
Think this is the correct thread Paddyanne for your post.

Is this a joke?

There is no way Grantanow that the LibDems would ever trust the Tories.

You are certainly right to vote LibDem in the Southwest.

At last year's election for the new unitary council of Somerset the number of councillors elected for each party were -

Liberal Democrat 61
Conservative 36
Green 5
Labour 5
Independent 3

Don’t best around the bush Dinah
I agree though, and also with WW about those terrible ads.
This is another example of them tripping themselves up.
They just need to keep their noses clean fgs 🙄