Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?

It depends what you mean by tell the truth as someone who wants labour to win them standing on a platform of reversing the vote or another referendum is not how I think they would win.

They can’t risk spooking the red wall voters who stayed away from the polls or voted for Johnson under Corbyn’s leadership

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

He just doesn't have the cajones sadly

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

New polling for The Constitution Society has revealed the Labour Party would remain on course to regain all Red Wall seats and could expand its overall support if it said Brexit was a mistake. The polling suggests that the Party could even win an increased Commons majority at a general election if it made such a move.

At present, the Party is committed to a policy of making Brexit work. The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has ruled out ever rejoining the EU, the Single Market or the Customs Union, or returning to Freedom of Movement. Starmer and other senior Labour figures who were previously pro-Remain now insist it is time to move on from the issue. They have maintained a position of not criticising Brexit despite evidence of public opinion turning increasingly against UK withdrawal from the EU.

Labour seems to be motivated by the fear that appearing to be anti-Brexit would risk its chances of regaining the so-called ‘Red Wall’ seats at the next General Election. The ‘Red Wall’ label applies to constituencies which produced ‘Leave’ majorities in the 2016 EU referendum, and which Labour lost to the Conservatives in the 2019 General Election. Regaining lost ground in the ‘Red Wall’ is often regarded as being essential to a Labour return to power at the next General Election.

The poll commissioned by The Constitution Society and published today, though, finds that there would be no electoral penalty for Labour if the Party said Brexit was a mistake, and that it could even gain from doing so. With its present stance of ‘make Brexit work’, Labour is projected to win 527 seats in the House of Commons, a majority of 404. If it said Brexit was a mistake, its seats total could rise to 550. Labour is currently on course to sweep all 42 Red Wall seats. This poll reveals that the Party would still be on course to win all 42 seats if it said Brexit was a mistake.

consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/

I’d still prefer it if Starmer leaves Brexit well alone (for now).

It would give the Tories some fabulous ammunition and more excuses to bang the ‘will of the people’ / ‘leftie lawyer’ drum.

I just want Labour to get over the line.

As we all know, they are experts at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

Fleurpepper

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

I really hope so..perhaps if enough people put pressure on him he'll find the courage..

Fleurpepper

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

Evidence? Please. How? Where?

FannyCornforth has got it right I believe. But as polls increasingly show that Brexiters are turning away from the disastrous effect- and more Labour voters put pressure on him- he will have to turn round too.

When he stood for leadership to replace Corbyn as a supporter of the left wing.
“My promise to you,” he said on his campaign website, “is that I will maintain our radical values and work tirelessly to get Labour in to power. Based on the moral case for socialism, here is where I stand
He then made 10 pledges
Number six includes "defend free movement as we leave the EU".
In Nov 2022 he said A Swiss deal simply wouldn't work for Britain. Freedom of movement is a red line for me… it won’t come back under my government.

He tweeted The selections for Labour candidates needs ] to be more democratic and we should end NEC impositions of candidates. Local party members should select their candidates for every election.
And then announced he was stopping Jeremy Corbyn standing as a Labour MP with no reference to the local party.

Honestly I really want a Labour government but I wouldn't trust this man to lead us. I have no idea what his principles really are, or what he would lie about to gain power.
There are loads more examples of his inability to keep a promise.

Agree Glorianny There a few more Starmer's untruths on a YouTube video. My dad was a tool maker. And another about Starmer expenses scandal Very untrustworthy.

Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?
Whose truth would that be, Tories, Labours or Keir Starmers?

Starmer does not want to alienate any Labour voter that do vote for Brexit, it is a fact of life his opinion does not matter. If he is elected then he has to deal with it as best he can, it is up to the parliament of the day to agree or disagree with that.

He quite likely won’t get a large working majority so getting major changes won’t be easy.

Maybe he doesn't feel it worth saying unless there is something he can do to reverse it.

Things are a mess right now, people are struggling, everywhere. I would have thought the last thing everyone needs to hear is that Brexit is a mistake that we may not recover from

Do people really need their noses rubbed in it by a person they may look to for leadership?

I don't know, that's just my first thought that came

Thanks Grany I am upset that the Labour leader who will possibly be handed the next election on a plate is such a man.
I don't understand why Corbyn, who was basically honest, but whose beliefs were not approved of, was castigated by the media, whilst Starmer's broken promises and lies are completely ignored. It makes me very suspicious.

FannyCornforth

I’d still prefer it if Starmer leaves Brexit well alone (for now).

It would give the Tories some fabulous ammunition and more excuses to bang the ‘will of the people’ / ‘leftie lawyer’ drum.

I just want Labour to get over the line.

As we all know, they are experts at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I agree with you, FC.

Glorianny

Thanks Grany I am upset that the Labour leader who will possibly be handed the next election on a plate is such a man.
I don't understand why Corbyn, who was basically honest, but whose beliefs were not approved of, was castigated by the media, whilst Starmer's broken promises and lies are completely ignored. It makes me very suspicious.

I much preferred Corbyn but thegeneral public have never really liked someone on the left, hence Brexit

I agree with FC too. I think a Labour government would gradually align regulations with the EU, reduce the blocks to trade and movement that the Conservatives have introduced and build relationships. When that is done there may be room for some sort of "outer circle" arrangement.

pascal30

Glorianny

Thanks Grany I am upset that the Labour leader who will possibly be handed the next election on a plate is such a man.
I don't understand why Corbyn, who was basically honest, but whose beliefs were not approved of, was castigated by the media, whilst Starmer's broken promises and lies are completely ignored. It makes me very suspicious.

I much preferred Corbyn but thegeneral public have never really liked someone on the left, hence Brexit

That's true. But all I can compare Starmer's lack of press condemnation with really is how Boris was treated. Many of us knew that he was a liar and unprincipled, but the press ignored that. They now seem to be doing the same to Starmer. So will we end up with another unprincipled, lying, power-hungry PM?

I liked Corbyn too

toscalily

*Why is Keir Starmer afraid to tell the truth about brexit?*
Whose truth would that be, Tories, Labours or Keir Starmers?

Do you not believe that there is such a thing as the truth?

It is true that the pound has dropped in value compared to the Euro and the US dollar. www.statista.com/statistics/1034391/monthly-exchange-rate-gbp-eur-worldwide/

It is true that the real GDP % change in the UK in the three years to the end of 2022 is negative. The UK is the only G7 economy which has not returned to pre-pandemic levels. Real growth in US is +5%, in Eurozone +2.4%, in the UK -0.6%
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

The total trade in goods and services deficit widened by £3.5 billion to £27.6 billion in the three months to January 2023, as exports fell by more than imports.
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/january2023#:~:text=The%20value%20of%20goods%20exports,%C2%A30.3%20billion%20(1.0%25).

These are just three of the true measurable effects of brexit on our economy, They are all from reliable sources - and show a negative effect. In other words, it is demonstrably true that brexit has damaged the UK economy.

It would be easy to quote more analyses all showing that brexit is a disaster.

Can you quote figures which support some "alternative truth" toscalily?

Katie59

Starmer does not want to alienate any Labour voter that do vote for Brexit, it is a fact of life his opinion does not matter. If he is elected then he has to deal with it as best he can, it is up to the parliament of the day to agree or disagree with that.

He quite likely won’t get a large working majority so getting major changes won’t be easy.

True
Nobody knows if he’ll be a good PM until he’s in place but at least there’ll be a Labour government in power.He seems ok to me.I like Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting too.

Glorianny

Keir Starmer finds it hard to tell the truth about anything.

So where has he lied?

This is the problem with headlines like this. They are put on by people with an axe to grind.

Starmer is the leader of the Labour Party; Varian is a member (I believe) of the Lib Dems. This is a party conflict. It helps no one. It is extreme and will not allow the country to reach a reasoned conclusion.

We do not vote for 'exactly' the government we want. In 2020 there were 47.6 million Parliamentary electoral registrations in the UK. An individual cannot have their own government; there has to be some compromise. If you think he got something wrong, say so, but remember, he may not want what you want - that's allowed. That does not mean he is not telling the truth - he is just not saying what you want him to say. It does not mean he is lying - he is just not saying what you want him to say and he is allowed not to agree with you and to offer all those other than you and the OP an insight into what he does stand for.

Democracy is for grown-ups. Nobody ever said it was perfect. We live in a democracy, and the alternative is a lot worse.

There are plenty of videos out there says one thing and then the exact opposite so he is a proven liar.
We don't have a democracy as we have an unelected hereditary Head of State from one family.

I am a member of the LibDems, DaisyAnne

This is not a party conflict and certainly not extreme.

I hope that the country will reach a reasoned conclusion - but that depends on voters being told the truth.

I am frustrated that Starmer won't do that.

Ed Davey and the LibDems are not afraid to inform voters of the fact that what was, in 2016 mocked as "Project Fear" has turned out to be absolutely true.

Obviously I want to see the end of this brexitory government and would hope that Keir Starmer becomes PM.

He is more likely to win if he stands up to the right wing media, remembers that most of his supporters never wanted brexit and tell the truth about what damage has been done.

That would gain him respect.