Welsh Labour proposing to give young asylum seekers £1600 a month and taxpayers money to fight deportation…

The real version of this story is that all young people leaving care in Wales receive a basic income of £1,600 a month (approx. £1,250 after tax).

The same applies to refugee children who arrived in Wales unaccompanied by an adult.

with the rwanda scheme, many conservatives did not realise that if this was implemented, those who are accepted to be genuine refugees would not be able to relocate to uk.
they would be expected to live in rwanda.

I was pointing out that people might enter the country illegally but that does not make them illegal because they have a right to seek asylum...

Casdon

I’m getting fed up with this.
There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim

That's what I said they are not called/are illegal immigrants

Casdon

I’m getting fed up with this.
There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim

Exactly.

I’m getting fed up with this.
There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim

I believe that immigrants can enter the Uk illegally but they are not called illegal immigrants..

Nicenanny3

I agree with Primrose53 they are illegal.

Copied from government website

Relocation to Rwanda
From 1 January 2022, you will be considered for relocation to Rwanda if you make an illegal journey to the UK and have travelled through or have a connection to a safe country.

People relocated to Rwanda will have their asylum claim processed there. Rwanda will have full responsibility for them.

People whose claims for protection are rejected will either be offered the chance to stay in Rwanda or return to their home country – they will not return to the UK once their claims have been decided by Rwanda.

There is no limit to the number of people who can be relocated to Rwanda.

Penalties and jail sentences
The UK is also toughening penalties and introducing new criminal offences for people coming to the UK illegally. It will be a criminal offence to knowingly arrive in the UK without a valid entry clearance when one is required. You could face up to 4 years in jail and be removed to a safe country if you arrive illegally.

If you are caught assisting people smugglers, for example by steering the boat or helping other people to pay smugglers, then the UK government can take criminal action against you. You could go to jail before being removed to a safe country.

The UK government has introduced tougher penalties for people smugglers with a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Safely and anonymously report immigration crime, including people smugglers.

You will be considered for relocation to Rwanda if you make an illegal journey to the UK and have travelled through or have a connection to a safe country.

But there are no illegal routes in law, to the UK, so no illegal journeys.

Even this sick government does not officially call people "illegal" or illegals although, no doubt its client press will continue to encourage you to do so.

Anyone with half a brain knows this is just rhetoric with no legal backing. Without legal routes - which the government has not set up - you would have difficulty proving others are "illegal" in any international court.

What a nasty group of people the Conservatives have become. I truly don't think they were all like this at one time, and I hope some reasonable human beings are still left among them but I am beginning to doubt this on GN.

So many people on here "just following orders". That turned out well in the past.

Good posts, HPQ, growstuff and Casdon et al.

I have read this thread through, and just can't be bothered to correct all the nonsense that is being repeated about 'illegal' immigrants. It would be great if people would take a look at the details of this scheme. As to the comment about not many people earning £1600 a month in Wales, well they obviously need to 'get on their bike' or just work harder or whatever words of encouragement are given on here to anyone who can't manage to live on their income. For info, £1600 a month is a full time job on minimum wage, so hardly untold wealth. Maybe a few of you could get yourselves in a froth about care leavers and somehow make it their fault, just like you blame the asylum seekers for their stupidity in being born in Syria or some other war torn hell hole.

Nicenanny It isn't illegal, whatever the government website claims. It's appalling that the government is using this rhetoric and why it's being challenged. The trouble is that the more often it's said, the more people will indeed fall for the "Tinkerbell" argument.

karmalady

what a magnet that will be to any young migrant who looks to be under 18. Could be 30 and claim to be 17 to get the money

Starmer is very quiet about this

It doesn’t work in that way karmalady. Migrants are allocated via the UK system, so the Westminster government allocates to Wales. This scheme is only for young care leavers who have spent their time in care in Wales, not for all comers.

what a magnet that will be to any young migrant who looks to be under 18. Could be 30 and claim to be 17 to get the money

Starmer is very quiet about this

The government website is just following the government line, which is a lie being promoted to justify the government's illegal actions. No lawyer worth their salt would agree with what it says.

I agree with Primrose53 they are illegal.

Copied from government website

Relocation to Rwanda
From 1 January 2022, you will be considered for relocation to Rwanda if you make an illegal journey to the UK and have travelled through or have a connection to a safe country.

People relocated to Rwanda will have their asylum claim processed there. Rwanda will have full responsibility for them.

People whose claims for protection are rejected will either be offered the chance to stay in Rwanda or return to their home country – they will not return to the UK once their claims have been decided by Rwanda.

There is no limit to the number of people who can be relocated to Rwanda.

Penalties and jail sentences
The UK is also toughening penalties and introducing new criminal offences for people coming to the UK illegally. It will be a criminal offence to knowingly arrive in the UK without a valid entry clearance when one is required. You could face up to 4 years in jail and be removed to a safe country if you arrive illegally.

If you are caught assisting people smugglers, for example by steering the boat or helping other people to pay smugglers, then the UK government can take criminal action against you. You could go to jail before being removed to a safe country.

The UK government has introduced tougher penalties for people smugglers with a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Safely and anonymously report immigration crime, including people smugglers.

Primrose53

growstuff

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

If they arrive here in rubber dinghies with no passports or paperwork then they have entered our country illegally.

Wrong.

Before you make these claims, you need to check out the law.

It would appear that you don’t.

Primrose53

volver3

No they have not.

You're just wrong. 😒

So try slipping into any other country with no passport and see how you get on!

If I were to apply for asylum, I wouldn't be doing anything illegal either.

Primrose53

growstuff

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

If they arrive here in rubber dinghies with no passports or paperwork then they have entered our country illegally.

If they apply for asylum, no they're doing nothing illegal. How difficult is that to understand?

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you're wrong.

You just don't understand, do you?

They are asylum seekers, not tourists. They can seek asylum, that means they are not illegal immigrants, no matter what you think you know.

volver3

No they have not.

You're just wrong. 😒

So try slipping into any other country with no passport and see how you get on!

No they have not.

You're just wrong. 😒

growstuff

They're not illegal if they're seeking asylum.

If they arrive here in rubber dinghies with no passports or paperwork then they have entered our country illegally.

It doesn’t work like that Poppyred. Asylum seekers are allocated by the UK government.

Primrose53

I agree that kids leaving care need more support. Not so long ago when they reached 16 they were out! Social services found them a flat, gave them a cooker, a table and chair and some money to buy other bits and left them to it. My son had a friend leaving care and I went to his flat and he sat there looking bewildered. I went back again and took him a box of essentials, some towels, tea cloths, dusters etc. we gave him some saucepans, a vacuum cleaner and new mugs.

It is better now and my best friend fosters teenagers and I believe the age limit is now 19 and they get more follow up.

I don’t though agree with illegal immigrants being given the same. My friend will not take them in.

I agree Primrose53 care leavers deserve a leg up. Not many people in Wales earn £1600 a month…. this is an insult to all hard working people and an invitation to all and sundry to make their way here…..

LadyGracie If sampling is done correctly it is surprising just how small a sample can have a very high probability of accurately representing the whole population. Poor sampling techniques can lead to large samples being being highly unrepresentative.

Somewhere I have a set of tables, a souvenir of days working in market research, which gives me sample size numbers necessary for various levels of accuracy in relation to the total sample.