Identifying as a different gender

Smileless2012

She was on a short term contract kircubbin which wont be renewed.

I think the children were winding her up when they wrote their names and preferred pro nouns on the board

Absolutely
to your second paragraph. I wonder if they knew she was on a short term contract.
If not, how smug they must be feeling.
Same as the person who managed to get into trouble, any girls who didn’t use he or ze or whatever she had decided was her current pronoun.
Which brings us neatly back to bullying.

She was on a short term contract kircubbin which wont be renewed.

I think the children were winding her up when they wrote their names and preferred pro nouns on the board

I don't understand why the teacher had to apologise. What had she done wrong? It sounds as if she was perhaps a stand in and the kids were winding her up.

I suggest you read Rosie's post yesterday @ 21.35 and my response @ 21.42.

Yes you did misunderstand me Glorianny. As I keep saying, it is this particular method I don't approve of not the children expressing their thoughts, views and/or opinions.

As already pointed out to you, the conversation about lying/being less than honest was between myself and Rosie and when you responded to it yet again, you didn't respond to what we actually posted.

Smileless2012

You thinking that the issue is a non binary child doesn't surprise me Glorianny because as you say that is completely irrelevant.

Had my child told me that they and their class mates had written their views/feelings/opinions about a particular matter on the class room board in the teacher's absence, so it was there when they walked into the classroom, I would have told them it was not appropriate.

There's only one way of quoting on here so
If I knew that a school I was considering sending my child too, thought that the children expressing their personal thoughts/views/opinions on the classroom board, without the teacher's prior knowledge and when they weren't in the classroom, I would think very carefully about enrolling them there.
Not to mention children being less than honest
which apparently isn't lying.
Still Smileless2021 of course I misunderstand you!

Good grief Glorianny don't you get tired of assigning things to posters that they've never said? Where have I said that my children and GC wouldn't be able to behave as children in alternative schools or any where else for that matter. You do make me laugh, although that's probably not your intention.

I'm not going to waste my time repeating what I posted earlier but will wait with anticipation to see how you twist and/or fabricate what I've said here.

Doodledog

*doodledog I eas answering your reply to me but you have now amended it so it no longer matters*

Yes, that makes sense, and my first post was an error on my part, so my fault - sorry.

No worries

Daddima

Jings, how long is this thread going to become? Is anybody reading it, apart from the few involved in the ‘discussion’?

I have no idea who's reading it, but like any other thread, those who are interested will read it, and those who aren't can choose not to. There are lots of threads I never open, as I'm sure is true of most of us, so why does it matter?

I agree that a lot of it is not about the OP, but that's what happens when people insist on presenting hypothetical situations as fact, and diverting the topic into other areas. I would very much prefer a discussion to a 'discussion', so why not join in and discuss?

Probably not Daddima.
G or t, always writes comments that reflect what she does as much as the poster she aims at. I like to make her aware of that.

Well you for one daddima

Jings, how long is this thread going to become? Is anybody reading it, apart from the few involved in the ‘discussion’?

doodledog I eas answering your reply to me but you have now amended it so it no longer matters

Yes, that makes sense, and my first post was an error on my part, so my fault - sorry.

Mollygo

Glorianny

Those who do not want to understand will not.
Once again, you sum up perfectly how I see your POV.
Enjoy your break.

Thank goodness for that, the concept that my POV might in some way match yours fills me with horror.

Smileless2012

Why is disagreement so often misconstrued as a lack of understanding? We understand Glorianny we just don't agree.

Given the number of posts you made about how your children/grandchildren wouldn't be permitted to behave as children in alternative schools do, and your idea that the children might be less than honest, I'm afraid you don't

Why is disagreement so often misconstrued as a lack of understanding? We understand Glorianny we just don't agree.

Glorianny

Those who do not want to understand will not.
Once again, you sum up perfectly how I see your POV.
Enjoy your break.

OK so Rosie51 posts that I have indicated that the girls might lie then Smileless2021 posts that they might be less than honest which apparently isn't lying.
Neither of which statements is what I actually said.
As usual I'm accused of misunderstanding and twisting.
These two statements are the most obvious example of misunderstanding and twisting I have ever seen
On that basis I think there is no point in discussing this further.
I will, as my intersectional friends tell me I should, disengage.
Those who do not want to understand will not.

Well VS did post on Sunday @ 18.15 that she "........ will keep finding ways to say things that make the GC uncomfortable......"
Iam.

VioletSky

Cool doodledog keep your double standards

Mollygo wee I'm going to carry on bring polite so...

So "if" is the standard for hypothetical questions... I'm sure there have been plenty of ifs

Discussion or point scoring?

Up to you guys

I'm not keeping count

My reading of this is that you are ‘keeping count’ of what you see as some kind of competition between yourself (with support from glory) and the ‘gender critical’. Your contempt for other posters is clear. Your pretence at being nice and polite, is exactly that, a pretence

There is a woman who identies as a cat, she has grown out of the kitten stage. The women who married themselves , but two of them are now seeking a divorce. For them it's normal.
VS you accuse peope of doube standards, they just don't agree with your take on things..
That teacher should not have apologised, Head was wrong. Let the students identifying as male attend a male school or accept the fact that they are in a female school, be more tolerant of where they are and why. If I was an employer I would be wary. You could lose your livliehood.

Doodledog Please, please don't hold your breath for any meaningful reply I fear you'll be dead long before!

It is so funny that the only way people can justify their views is by telling me how I have misunderstood them or how I create hypothetical cases. The concept of private education which has a differing ethos to state education isn't hypothetical it is fact.

Is it funny? I don't really understand your sense of humour, but each to her own.

I do't think you misunderstand, I think you twist. There is a huge difference. You have created a hypothetical case, unless you have access to more information than the rest of us, that you have failed to share. The fact that private schools can have their own ethos is fact, but irrelevant to this discussion insofar as we don't know what the ethos of the school was.

If it turns out to be a creationist school, do you think the ethos would be one in which teachers would be encouraged to affirm a child's rejection of her girlhood?

VioletSky

doodledog I eas answering your reply to me but you have now amended it so it no longer matters

I'm bored of the mind games for now

But as I always say, this is why the GC won't win

Catch you next thread, maybe things will change

I always hope so

Until you change, it’s unlikely. This GC argument you constantly use is your fantasy.
Your double standards are exactly that and you don’t acknowledge them, even as you accuse others.
Then your cute little I have a DAY, I’m bored of mind games for now, and your occasional untrue leaving statements all make it difficult to have a sensible discussion.

But I enjoy watching it.

I haven't said that you did say or indicate the children might lie Glorianny so there's nothing to apologise for. That was a topic of conversation between myself and Rosie. Neither myself or Rosie said we thought the "children would have to lie" and I didn't use the word lie.

Once again you are not responding to what was actually said.