Identifying as a different gender

The world has gone mad, I really didn’t know my own mind until I was in my 20’s.
Most teenagers do not have the emotional intelligence to deal with gender identity.
I could name the girls in my class back in the 1970’s who would have identified as male, feline etc, they were attention seekers.
I do appreciate there are a few genuine cases but I think they are few and far between.
Poor teacher.

So maybe the head will need to change the title and remit of the school.

It seems sensible to me that an "all girl school" means just that. I'm afraid if a girl wishes to change her gender to a boy she should not be able to continue in that school.

Parents are paying for a particular educational environment and should expect that to be fulfilled.

Check out today’s news
Single sex schools will be able to continue to address their pupils as “girls” or “boys” accordingly.
If I can find the link,I’ll post it.

I heard this incident about the girls school being discussed on T.V this morning. I heard it was only one pupil and they now called themselves He. How awful for the teacher involved perhaps she did not even know about this pupil, and apparently she was sacked.

I agree with what they were saying on T.V. this morning. The parents and the pupil involved should have a meeting with the head of the school. The parents should be told that the school is run as an All Girls School and if their child is now identifying as He/male. then they will have to find an alternative school to accommodate their child.
It was said that the teacher was sacked for me that would be a good case for unfair dismissal.

For crying out loud sacked for saying ‘good morning girls’ in and all girls school I hope she takes them to the cleaners
Ridiculous

In an all girls school, any pupil who no longer identifies as a girl should declare that they will, of course, be leaving the school.

In an all girls school all pupils are referred to as girls.

Challenging if the parents don't go along with teenagers choice, how to deal with that? Or were the parents involved in the whole affair?

I'm wondering what the undercurrents are, as its not the end of the world to simply say, "Good Morning all" if its just accommodating one student in that way.

Depends on the student involved too, someone very troubled trying it on, or a malicious child attacking one teacher (if the latter, then off to a mixed school).

Wondering how it managed to get so far as a sacking rather than school and parents "getting round a table".

Totally behind the teacher here, they should be reinstated asap.

I went to an all girls school good morning/afternoon girls was the standard greeting.

varian

In an all girls school, any pupil who no longer identifies as a girl should declare that they will, of course, be leaving the school.

In an all girls school all pupils are referred to as girls.

This. ✅

And the teacher should be reinstated forthwith.

Has it been reported that the teacher was sacked?

Callistemon
But she won’t because the tail is well and truly wagging the dog. 😡

No-one was sacked. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Not having your one term contract extended is not the same as being sacked.

We're having an outbreak of people making things up about news stories just now, aren't we?

No. She was on a one term contract and it was not renewed.

the story is actually quite a bit more complicated: it wasn't at all just about the "good afternoon girls:
I tried to find a reasonably unbiased article and LBC seems the best available.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/female-teacher-apologise-good-afternoon-girls-20k-a-year

We still only have her account not the schools.

My understanding is that the teacher was made to apologise to the whole class in front of a senior teacher (the Head or HoD). How humiliating. How was she realistically going to retain any authority after that. The pupils would see how easy it was to bring her down. A contract being renewed is not the same as being sacked, but I read that she had expected it to be renewed, so presumably had made plans based on that expectation. Even if that is not the case, I don’t think it is unreasonable for a staff member to expect support from her manager, at least in public.

I don’t know what I think about self-identifying trans children in single sex schools. I don’t think that so-called ‘gender’ should have any bearing on education or how children are treated - in fact I don’t think that behaviours are sex-specific anyway, and teachers shouldn’t be buying into an ideology that suggests that they are, and/or that changing sex is possible. OTOH, I’m inclined to think that it would have been best ignored - the publicity is likely to make it more difficult for the child concerned to change back to being known as the girl she was born as, and it could mess up her life too if she had to go to a boys’ school.

If the teacher had been a permanent member of staff the outcome of the Forstater case would have given her some protection, I believe; which suggests that temporary staff are in need of protection from discrimination too.

Thanks Wyllow for the link. It’s all sounding a bit Nineteen Eighty Four

Thank you for the link Wyllow3

I still feel there's a bit more to this than meets the eye, because I think Doodledog makes good points about defusing the situation as regards the students.

It wasn't one student, it was a group, sounds like they were "trying it on". We still dont know if there was a genuine trans student or it was a "set up"

Probably could have been dealt with a lot better - don't agree with forced apologising in the situation as outlined to date at all, but I'm reserving an opinion for the tribunal when we can hear a whole story, not the "shock horror headlines".

NHS guidelines are that social affirmation is not a neutral act and is to be discouraged with regard to children, I think guidelines with regard to education staff in relation to this are to be issued soon.

In an all girls school, a girl identifying as a boy should be allowed to stay as they are still female and it’s a single-sex school. If a teacher is aware that there is a girl identifying as a boy, then they’d be better off using some generic term even though it really is bonkers.

Yes I agree that a girl identifying as a boy should of course be allowed to stay in a girls school, they have not changed sex therefore the school has not become mixed sex. Staff will hopefully be better served when the guidelines around social affirmation are clarified.

We don't have enough information. A teacher should address pupils without referring to their sex or their gender whether or not it's a one-sex school. The sex and the gender of learners is irrelevant to understanding Euclid, the Tang dynasty, or Wordsworth.

"Good morning students" "Good morning pupils" "Good morning children" "Good morning people" "Good morning friends" "Good morning you horrible lot" are sex and gender neutral.

Think I’d deffo go for the latter

I guess we should be thankful that the girls weren’t greeted by “good morning guys”.

I hate how widespread this habit has become.