The weak Prime Minister

MaizieD

You need to read Ian Dunt's exhaustively researched book, Grantanow.

The whole lot is dysfunctional. The government (the Executive) are taking more and more powers to itself and sideling Parliament. (Something I have been banging on about from time to time in the past 7 years, so I'm glad to see that my fears have been justified). If people don't understand the implications of this then they need to go back the the English Civil war and learn what it was all about.

It isn't news that any UK government with an adequate majority in the Commons can do as it pleases as an Executive and through legislation. That is how our system has worked for centuries. It doesn't need a well-researched book to tell us that. Parliament has been sidelined since Cabinet government by majority Parties began. The alternative of an Executive hamstrung by a Congress controlled by the other main Party is an American problem we should perhaps not be too keen to emulate.

There will be military attaches and others as well as local staff, this isn’t Afghanistan we’re not involved in the conflict it’s a safety evacuation.
There are many thousands of western civilians in Khartoum that will need evacuating that can’t be done until the fighting stops, at least for a while.

Katie59 suggested the diplomats would be involved with the evacuation.

The diplomats went home yesterday.

So they won't be organising the evacuation, will they?

Volver 3. Maybe flight home has something to do with the long standing concept of diplomatic immunity?

The diplomats they flew home yesterday, you mean?

It’s a war zone, chaos is the order of the day, negotiating safe access the the airport or other extraction zones is difficult and dangerous. You can be sure Cleverly has had no input other than “get it done”.
It’s up to diplomats at Khartoum who know the local leaders to make arrangements and the RAF who have plenty of capability to fly them out.

ronib you are comparing apples and pears.

People fled from their government in Germany.

Zaghari-Radcliffe had no choice- Johnson let her down.

The Afghans had no choice -Raab let them down

Now we have Brits in Sudan. One would hope tha5 Cleverly had learnt something.

My ancestors also died in the wars

Yeah, of course.

My ancestors would just have sat there and complained that nobody had sent a limo for them.

(Well not the one who was wounded in the RAF or the one who went deaf on the ack-ack guns, but all the others certainly.)

Volver 3 that is a fairy story?

Well coming from acfar sighted family background, my grandfather acted in a way he saw fit when the Nazis and Mussolini came to power. He used his initiative to protect his family to the best of his ability. Hard to understand now I suppose.

I can still remember when we had governments that thought its main purpose was keeping its citizens safe.

Ah, the good old days, eh?

Ps your faith in the Uk government is a bit surprising but your choice

ronib

Well volver3 good luck with waiting for the Uk government to rescue you.
Personally I would rather take the initiative than hang around.
Your call of course

Do tell ronib, what is it you’re going to do exactly?

ronib

Well volver3 good luck with waiting for the Uk government to rescue you.
Personally I would rather take the initiative than hang around.
Your call of course

How very nasty.

Oh, same thing,

Well volver3 good luck with waiting for the Uk government to rescue you.
Personally I would rather take the initiative than hang around.
Your call of course

ronib

Individual initiative will always trump reliance on the Uk government.

How very Conservative.

Exactly what real information is there on the Afghan interpreters?

ronib

Individual initiative will always trump reliance on the Uk government.

Tell that to the Afghan British interpreters.

Individual initiative will always trump reliance on the Uk government.

I think that Dunt’s illustration of how poorly ministers perform largely through ignorance, is highlighted very well when looking at the Foreign Office over the past few years.

ronib

Some news suggests that employers are organising coaches to Egypt for British employees. Embassy staff have been evacuated.

It is a good job they can rely on their employees in some cases. They certainly can’t rely on Cleverly.

ronib

Ww2 my intention is that most politicians from all parties qualify for a place on the Ship of Fools. Or are you trying to prevent me from stating the obvious?

Good grief no, I was just trying to be helpful as your comment would have a better response on the Dianne Abbot dedicated thread.

Ww2 my intention is that most politicians from all parties qualify for a place on the Ship of Fools. Or are you trying to prevent me from stating the obvious?

Some news suggests that employers are organising coaches to Egypt for British employees. Embassy staff have been evacuated.