I fear the rise of National Conservatism

DaisyAnne, thank you for publicising this. I'd never heard of National Conservatism before. Hope it just fades away......

I thought the onerous conditions contained in the Treaty of Versailles imposed on Germany contributed to its economic collapse which in turn facilitated massive inflation and extreme poverty. This helped Hitler gain power.
Probably other factors too.

My reading of Biden is that some states in the USA have moved to anti abortion legislation and that Biden’s religious position has enabled this. I am unsure how accurate this is? Point is that funding for GB news and The Edmund Burke Foundation does seem to originate from the USA.

I find it hard to recognise Trump as a Christian.

Btw it’s toeing, not towing.

What tosh, Chrissy.

In extremis, growstuff! As is often said, there is often more that unites us than divides us. 😊

Germanshepherdsmum

I have no idea what you’re trying to say Chrissy. Sorry but I just don’t understand.

The politicians from whichever party are towing the same line. They do the bidding of the World Economic Forum.

Germanshepherdsmum

Spot on, growstuff. We as a country are in a vulnerable position.

It's quite strange to be singing from the same hymn sheet!

Spot on, growstuff. We as a country are in a vulnerable position.

varian

ronib

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

No, ronib

I meant Trump.

Biden is, I believe a Christian, but does not play the God card.

It is a mystery to me that Trump, a uniquely immoral person, with a slew of sexual allegations against him, who boasted about "grabbing women by the pussy", who boasted that he could "stand in the middle of Park Avenue and shoot somebody and they would still vote for me" and who did not even realise which way up to hold a Bible, has been supported by the fanatical believers of the Bilble belt.

But we have to understand it because what happened did happen. If we can't understand it, it will happen again.

ronib

I don’t think the conditions in the 1930s Germany which gave rise to the Nazis are replicated here currently in the Uk. I can’t remember my history in great detail but we are a multi faith, multi cultural society . Additionally it’s been difficult for new political parties to get off the ground here and I can’t see that mainstream Conservatives are going to incorporate NatCons in any form.

It's more similar than you think. Germany in the 1920s and 1930s was one of the most civilised and cultured countries on the planet.

It had a fragile economy (ditto) and a power vacuum (ditto) and the rest is history.

ronib

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

No, ronib

I meant Trump.

Biden is, I believe a Christian, but does not play the God card.

It is a mystery to me that Trump, a uniquely immoral person, with a slew of sexual allegations against him, who boasted about "grabbing women by the pussy", who boasted that he could "stand in the middle of Park Avenue and shoot somebody and they would still vote for me" and who did not even realise which way up to hold a Bible, has been supported by the fanatical believers of the Bilble belt.

Chrissy08

Let’s address just one of your points, at least in the first instance, being “anti-abortion” should be a truly personal choice. I’d never want to be in a situation as a woman and not have the choice to choose whether to terminate my pregnancy or not. In the same way that I’d choose whether or not to have any other surgery. It’s a personal choice not a political weapon ! I certainly have no desire to take women’s rights back 100 years as they have in many American States. “Family Values”, another truly personal choice, what my family values yours may not - again nothing for the govt to concern itself with, before we know it our freedom of speech and even thought will be thoroughly eroded - if I wanted to live like this I’d move to the US and vote republican or relocate to China ! Despite the issues this country faces I like to believe we are still a democracy

The Conservatives, for example Suella Braverman and Robert Jenrick, are already using inflamatory language very similar to the language of Germany in the 1930s.

Braverman used the word "invasion" Jenrick used the word "canibalisation"

Words matter.

varian

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

Do you mean Biden Varian?

I don’t think the conditions in the 1930s Germany which gave rise to the Nazis are replicated here currently in the Uk. I can’t remember my history in great detail but we are a multi faith, multi cultural society . Additionally it’s been difficult for new political parties to get off the ground here and I can’t see that mainstream Conservatives are going to incorporate NatCons in any form.

God is a trump card for many on the right.

The mention of God has certainly worked for one of the most ungodly politicians ever to emerge in the USA,

How very true growstuff. I don’t follow Twitter but am grateful to know which way the wind’s blowing, as it were. Thank you. A lot of people are very easily lead.

ronib

GSM some statements on God seem a bit trivial too. Almost like a bad advertisement. For such supposed heavy weight intellectuals, it doesn’t pull any punches.

They're a ragbag of contradictory ideas, but so were the people who put Hitler into power - and they thought he was a funny little man.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree. The inclusivity is window dressing. I sincerely hope they don’t succeed but the people hooked in to speak at their conference worry me.

They worry me too. As a bit of a Twitter addict, I've noticed that some of them have quite a following. They might not have political representation yet, but they certainly have some support from the public - and that's very difficult to counter. Some other posters try telling them they're brainless goons (and worse), but that just makes their case for them. (Who do you think you are with your Oxford law degree ner ner?)

Some people doubtless support the family values, strong law and order and free speech agenda, but they need to look at what's behind it. It's a bit like an enticing free offer to sell a load of trash.

GSM some statements on God seem a bit trivial too. Almost like a bad advertisement. For such supposed heavy weight intellectuals, it doesn’t pull any punches.

I agree. The inclusivity is window dressing. I sincerely hope they don’t succeed but the people hooked in to speak at their conference worry me.

Yes I did read the propaganda gsm and it does not add up. How can you be inclusive when one faith and its viewpoint is expressed before all others? Christianity is the dominant religion and the other faiths are not given equal weight.
This right wing group is not going to succeed in the Uk.

Oh, they profess to be inclusive if you read their propaganda. Which they would have to be in the UK. Not so much in the US I bet.

Just curious to know how the pro Christian lobby is going to sell itself to our current devout Hindu pm? Also UK much more multi cultural now with multiple faiths - maybe missed the boat?

Flurpepper ‘of course they are not going to be talking at the conference’.
Really?
nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/speakers/
Now who are the rest of these ‘many people’ please?