I’m not counting my chickens

I have read in odd news reports that Boris Johnson is urging his merry band to set him up to “save” the Tory Party. That should knock them well out of the ball park. Hopefully never to be seen again.

Does it help to know that Conservatives have 28.59 percent of all seats and Labour 33.25 percent?

That’s not so exciting a difference when you consider the deep economic problems, failing public services etc

Oh I’ll try to find out. But there are still more results to come. Some aren’t being counted until tomorrow. So they may have lost even more seats.

So how many did they have before they lost the 1040?

Not sure of proportion but they’ve lost something like 1040 this time around, on top of the disaster a couple of years ago.

What is the actual proportion of seats previously held, now lost, for Tories? Please.

That’s an interesting thought Whitewave. It makes sense that Sunak will have to build bridges with Europe, the disaster of Brexit becomes clearer by the day.

growstuff

Fleurpepper

MayBee70

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

Lib Dems should have never ever have allied with Tories as their values are so so far apart.

Just because they made a mess of this at the time, does not mean they should not make an alliance with Greens and Labour now- and ensure all votes in the GE are tactical. It would also force Keir Starmer to admit that much closer alliance with the eU should take place asap, including rejoining the Single Market, Customs Union and Free Movement. I'd be very happy to vote tactically to make this happen, in my area it would have to be Lib Dem.

Starmer still has work to do to persuade the leave voting "red wall" voters that more co-operation with the EU would be a good idea. I think he's hoping for carrots rather than sticks.

Yes. In fact I think that he won’t make a move until Sunak who it is thought will be forced by economic circumstances to move closer to Europe (again)

Fleurpepper

MayBee70

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

Lib Dems should have never ever have allied with Tories as their values are so so far apart.

Just because they made a mess of this at the time, does not mean they should not make an alliance with Greens and Labour now- and ensure all votes in the GE are tactical. It would also force Keir Starmer to admit that much closer alliance with the eU should take place asap, including rejoining the Single Market, Customs Union and Free Movement. I'd be very happy to vote tactically to make this happen, in my area it would have to be Lib Dem.

Starmer still has work to do to persuade the leave voting "red wall" voters that more co-operation with the EU would be a good idea. I think he's hoping for carrots rather than sticks.

Iam64

I heard Emily Thornberry interviewed yesterday. She was criticised by the interviewer for stating Labour would need two terms to rebuild public services and the economy, for example. Getting your excuses in early, said the interviewer. She dealt with it well I thought, by summarising the awful mess Labour will inherit )if they win)
I’m beyond irritated by the way the tories keep repeating the old nonsense about the joke note saying there was no mo eh left. Claiming Labour can’t be trusted on the economy. This from a party that elected Truss who did more damage in two weeks than anyone thought possible.

I think it will take decades rather than 2 terms to undo the mess that has been made by the Tories ...

MayBee70

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

Lib Dems should have never ever have allied with Tories as their values are so so far apart.

Just because they made a mess of this at the time, does not mean they should not make an alliance with Greens and Labour now- and ensure all votes in the GE are tactical. It would also force Keir Starmer to admit that much closer alliance with the eU should take place asap, including rejoining the Single Market, Customs Union and Free Movement. I'd be very happy to vote tactically to make this happen, in my area it would have to be Lib Dem.

Whitewavemark2

But after all the years of watching the destruction of everything I and the majority it seems hold dear, at last there might be light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

The Tories are on course to lose over 1000 seats.

The madness of the past decade might be coming to an end.

Thank God! Being disabled I have gone through the humiliation of austerity under Cameron, Iain Duncan Smith and Ester McVile in charge of the DWP, and now they are hoping to get me back to work! I wish I could, as sitting here day in day out with nothing much to do, not affording to go anywhere or do anything is an existence, not a life .... couldn't even volunteer as if I couldn't manage to go and someone was relying on me would distress me ...

Grantanow

The best estimate so far for a GE result is Labour the biggest Party but about 30+ seats short of an absolute majority. Whatever the denials now that looks like a coalition of some kind. Of course there are unknowns between now and a GE in 2024 and Labour tend to do better in opinion polls than on the day. Looks like the Lib Dems will get to open the goody bag as they did with Cameron.

We’ll have a better idea next week when they’ve done the more sophisticated number crunching I think, I’ve only seen the figures projected based on the actual seats fought for yesterday so far. I’ve had a quick look at the Lib Dem/Labour dynamic for seats, and I couldn’t see any seats where one or the other wasn’t way ahead of the other before yesterday’s election, so people definitely voted tactically. As well as whether the Tories can climb part way out of the mire, a lot will also depend on what happens in Scotland between now and the next election I would guess.

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

The best estimate so far for a GE result is Labour the biggest Party but about 30+ seats short of an absolute majority. Whatever the denials now that looks like a coalition of some kind. Of course there are unknowns between now and a GE in 2024 and Labour tend to do better in opinion polls than on the day. Looks like the Lib Dems will get to open the goody bag as they did with Cameron.

Whitewavemark2

It seems that the recriminations have already starting with one Tory blaming Braverman’s rhetoric and causing strive and division in the community

Good! It seems that at least one Tory (probably more) understands that Braverman's rhetoric is a sideshow to people's real concerns.

It seems that the recriminations have already starting with one Tory blaming Braverman’s rhetoric and causing strive and division in the community

After the coronation I think the real analysis will start. There’s an interesting article on Sky News this morning about the voting in the constituencies of cabinet members for example.

The fact that the number of seats lost was worse than the Tory hierarchy’s own worst case scenario of 1000 seats will be very concerning for the party, and it remains to be seen whether the ‘Boris will save us’ brigade gains any traction internally.

If that happens then people will vote for any alternative party that they think has any chance of beating the Tory candidate in that particular seat. I think we’re at the point where the majority would prefer any alternative to that.

There was exactly the same note left by a Tory in 1964 as the one left by Labour in 2009.

It was/is a tradition to leave a silly comment by the outgoing government.

It is only the fools of Tories who have tried to use it to their own advantage.

It is difficult to know - local elections are traditionally a way of giving the government of the day a bloody nose if they are not coming up to scratch but then some Tories will respond to these results by realising that if they do not want a Labour government they will have to tick the blue box come the GE.

I heard Emily Thornberry interviewed yesterday. She was criticised by the interviewer for stating Labour would need two terms to rebuild public services and the economy, for example. Getting your excuses in early, said the interviewer. She dealt with it well I thought, by summarising the awful mess Labour will inherit )if they win)
I’m beyond irritated by the way the tories keep repeating the old nonsense about the joke note saying there was no mo eh left. Claiming Labour can’t be trusted on the economy. This from a party that elected Truss who did more damage in two weeks than anyone thought possible.

Turnout in 2019 general election was 67.3 percent.
Turnout in local election 2023 just under 40 percent.
Wouldn’t assume a Labour win in 2024 although coalition possible.

In the meantime, I hope Rishi Sunak stops making videos featuring football shirts. Seems his public relations team isn’t helping. Video indicates a big disconnect between Sunak and football, plus the group he might call the working class. Still at least we don’t have a complete liar at the helm so could be worse. Still waiting for the hospital locally. Plus the doctors and nurses.

We still have way over a year to suffer this lot. They can do so much further damage in that time.

What an awful uphill battle the next government faces if it is a progressive one.

I've just read that a "senior" Tory has warned Sunak that Boris Johnson is still very popular with voters...

Surely he must be joshing? Would the government really be that stupid?

Mind you, they did present us with Truss - and I've heard one or two still speak highly of her.

... and I do keep reading on various SM sites comments from an awful lot of people that are keen to "bring back Boris". But what ticket would he sail on? Brexit's done... he's yesterday's man.

They really are a Ship of Fools aren't they?

People voted against the Tories because they are fed up with 13 years of Tory mess ups under BoJo and Truss but that does not translate into delight with Labour. Starmer has a long uphill road to No. 10.