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The police has apologised over the arrest of the republican group

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 09-May-23 05:13:58

The Met has sent a letter of “regret” over the arrest of over 60+ people on Saturday.

As I said in another thread.

The police acted like idiots.

However, I am more interested in what prompted the police action, as nothing in the run up to the coronation where, both parties were actively cooperating, suggested that this would happen.

As I said - Braverman’s hand is all over this.

Grany Tue 09-May-23 13:13:01

Banners were removed saw on video and protesters were warned would be arrested for saying Not My King.
More money poured into Republic campaign fund. And more signed petition for vote on monarchy

Whitewavemark2 Tue 09-May-23 13:10:12

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

People’s right to protest peacefully has not been removed. And as I have already said, the new legislation was not relied upon . It was abundantly clear from the television coverage that plenty of protesters remained.

Yep, I need the banging my head against the wall emoji

That is not what the chief constable said this morning. People were arrested before they protested, peacefully or not. It was based on nothing.

The legislation passed last week is a mess - it needs revisiting.

Less authoritarianism and more common sense - that is of course if you believe in democracy and protest - noisy or not.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 13:05:55

Me too.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 13:02:09

Germanshepherdsmum

People’s right to protest peacefully has not been removed. And as I have already said, the new legislation was not relied upon . It was abundantly clear from the television coverage that plenty of protesters remained.

Yep, I need the banging my head against the wall emoji

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 13:01:02

Fleurpepper

Yes, of course they were there to protest- as should be their right, and has always been in modern Britain, and enshirined in Law, until Braverman decided to go against it.

There were many many protesters along the ceremonial route Fleurpepper which were there for all to see, both on broadcast media, YouTube and privately posted videos.

Nobody stopped these protesters, nobody confiscated their banners.

It is still lawful in the U.K. to protest peacefully, the new legislation is for those who are not part of the protest not to have their lives impinged by those protesting.

Like I posted previously it’s legal to protest it is illegal to disrupt, cause harm, endanger or frighten others by your actions…

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 13:00:49

People’s right to protest peacefully has not been removed. And as I have already said, the new legislation was not relied upon . It was abundantly clear from the television coverage that plenty of protesters remained.

Anniebach Tue 09-May-23 13:00:36

What the hell has Keir Starmer and tuition fees got to to with
the arrests on Saturday?

Grany you really have to accept Corbyn will not be back

Grany Tue 09-May-23 12:54:47

Brian Tweeddale 14h
The Met has apologised for the wrongful arrest of the head of Republic. Today Keir Starmer proscribed Republic for Labour Party members. And its only Monday.

I'm not surprised Starner is authoritarian and Establishment. Just broke another pledge to end tuition fees. Labour and Tory same

Anniebach Tue 09-May-23 12:46:17

The Met has apologised for six arrests, not for all the arrests

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 12:42:04

Yes, of course they were there to protest- as should be their right, and has always been in modern Britain, and enshirined in Law, until Braverman decided to go against it.

Nightsky2 Tue 09-May-23 12:30:20

MrsNemo

If your opinion is that Charles is 'Not my King', and you don't agree with the Monarchy, why not stay away? Did anyone think that the Coronation might be canceled because some don't want it to happen? People go to an event with the intent of disrupting it and spoiling it for others, and are then surpised and shocked to be arrested. The Police cannot win; if one of the protestors had flung something and a horse had been spooked - however well trained, some of them were jumpy on Saturday - and this had resulted in injury, that presumably would have been the fault of the Police for not stopping the protester. They have to make split second decisions and because of those decisions there were no casualties, and nobody was charged with anything either. I call that a win win, but of course it won't be seen that way by those who feel that shouting insults, banner waving and attempting to spoil the day is fine.

The only reason they were there was to distrust things. I’m very glad the police acted the way they did. Thousands of people were there to enjoy the day and not have it disrupted by Republicans.
I understand that megaphones are not allowed in certain areas and this might have had something to do with it because if they had started yelling they might well have spooked the horse. I’m very glad that the thousands of people who turned out to see the Coronation were able to do so with no disruptions. It was a wonderful day.
Republican Graham Smith is now taking legal action against the police, that should be interesting.

Mollygo Tue 09-May-23 12:27:00

And had the anti-republicans protested, albeit peacefully against the anti-monarchy group spoiling the day, as they would be entitled to do, how would you have described the outcome?
Would the Republicans have celebrated, because there would’ve been more noise added to their noise, or irritated by people, protesting against their protest.
Fleurpepper I’m still puzzled by your to ensure there is no protest at all fits in with the protesters I saw, protesting vociferously.
Or was what I saw, a set up filmed by the Daily Mail and there weren’t really any protesters there at all?

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 12:16:00

It is enshrined in British Law, culture and tradition, that people have the right to peaceful protest- until Suella Braverman rushed in new legislation.

Listen to the person who was in charge of the protests, and who had been in consultation with the Met for months, with clear description of their intent, and the fact they were not carrying anything offensive or intending to lock.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-65523439

This has Suella Braverman's very heavy hand, it is clear. Apologising after holding people without charge for 16 hours- to ensure there is no protest at all is just not cricket- just not British at all, and has never been.

fancythat Tue 09-May-23 12:07:35

Fleurpepper
People were arrested because they might cause a protest.

Is that legal? I done know. Probably not. If not, that is an issue.

Dont get me wrong. I would have wanted a peaceful time at the coronation as much as the next person.

But there is an even bigger issue going on.
Are we a democracy or a totalitarian state?

I would have the law nuanced. Dont ask me how. I am not a lawyer.

But when police appear to not know how to interpret law, or perhaps not even know the law, there is a problem.
Where genuine police feel uncomfortable apparently, there is a problem.
If they were asked to go against the current law, [if they were and we dont know that], that is a problem.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 09-May-23 12:07:11

I am over it.

I am content that the police have understood that they made an idiotic error, and have almost certainly told the HO of its unworkability- the legislation as it stands is not fit for purpose, as the government was told before they rammed the legislation through last week.

Let us hope that they have the wit to re-visit it and sort it out in a manner that is neither authoritarian or unfit. I won’t hold my breath.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 12:01:21

Not ‘on suspicion of protest’ fp. That is not a criminal offence.
Absolutely right GrannyGravy and NanaDana.

NanaDana Tue 09-May-23 11:52:13

Fleurpepper

Records will be kept, facial recognition, profiles, and more.

The UK has never ever had a tradition of arresting people on suspicion.

Never ever had a tradition of arresting people on suspicion? Quite the opposite. I think you'll find that every single arrest that has ever been made is ALWAYS based on suspicion that a crime may have taken or is about to take place. In fact, all that the Police need in order to make an arrest is to have "reasonable grounds" to suspect this. Sometimes, in fact quite often, they are subsequently unable to provide the burden of proof which would enable the C.P.S.to authorise charges which would then be upheld in court, so the suspect is then released. Why pretend that what happened on Saturday was in any way different from the standard process? It wasn't.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 11:51:04

Fleurpepper

Not on suspicion of protest.

If as you say they were arrested on suspicion of protest how do you explain that only a handful were arrested?

There were many many other protesters at various sites along the ceremonial route waving their placards and shouting their slogans…

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 11:49:50

Germanshepherdsmum

They weren’t arrested on suspicion of protest fp.

Some where, which is why the police has apologised.

Anniebach Tue 09-May-23 11:49:23

Agree Maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 11:48:42

They weren’t arrested on suspicion of protest fp.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 11:47:44

Katie59

The police have been accused in the past of not accessing the safety issues correctly, Hillsborough, Manchester Arena and many others, road closures and all sorts of inconvenience and disruption happens due to demonstrations and events.

Removing a few that were thought to be a threat is part of the job, if you get it wrong you apologize, well done the police.

Totally agree

Fleurpepper Tue 09-May-23 11:46:13

Not on suspicion of protest.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 09-May-23 11:44:35

‘The UK has never had a tradition of arresting people on suspicion’? What tosh. Try reading up on criminal law.
And I would love to know how you’re ‘pretty sure the King is massively embarrassed and has probably had a word with the PM, fleurpepper. More of the same.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 09-May-23 11:44:05

I totally agree with you maddyone