Trump did sexually abuse.

Firstly I don't like Trump at all however I'm going to throw a spanner in the works. Yes she won £4m for defamation however the charges against him were vague. She went voluntarily with him into a lingerie cubicle in a large department store closing the door behind her. She couldn't say what year it took place (1995 or 1996) never mind what month or day. She admits she was flirting with him and they kissed. However she then said he raped her it wasn't consensual. She didn't scream or shout out loud nor did she say anything afterwards. She mentioned it to two friends a few years ago and only managed to sue him because the state changed the law last year. She won the case mainly on libel because when she wrote in a magazine article about it he denied it and made fun of her. A very unpleasant man but I'm not sure about the rest.

It was a political decision with no consequences, if I had been on the jury I would have believed that he most likely did “sexually abuse” the woman, that is entirely credible and he deserved the penalty which means nothing to him

The “Rape” accusation is not credible, nor that it ruined her life, the woman could not even say for certain which year it was 30yrs ago.

Some of you are saying that EVERY accusation is automatically fact which is a very long way from reality.

Katie59

“The woman’s credibility is is in question”
The jury did not believe her!.

Are you saying that every woman that makes an accusation of rape is automatically believed, or are you saying that anyone who accuses Trump must be believed

We have all got sons or husbands do you believe that all accusations made against them must be true.

You are interpreting the jury’s finding how you want to, rather than actually reading the words of the decision.

Whether or not I have sons is irrelevant. My sons don’t think or speak like Trump. We raised them better. If you read a fraction of what he said and your first thought goes to whether not he’s a victim of a false accusation, god help the women who encounter the men in your life who also think this way.

Katie59

“The woman’s credibility is is in question”
The jury did not believe her!.

Are you saying that every woman that makes an accusation of rape is automatically believed, or are you saying that anyone who accuses Trump must be believed

We have all got sons or husbands do you believe that all accusations made against them must be true.

Not quite katie59

The jury decided that on the balance of probabilities they could not say definitely that the woman was raped by Trump.

That is a lot different from saying that they didn’t believe her.

Rape is notoriously difficult to prove, which is why the woman chose civil rather than criminal court where the bar for conviction is tightly higher.

“The woman’s credibility is is in question”
The jury did not believe her!.

Are you saying that every woman that makes an accusation of rape is automatically believed, or are you saying that anyone who accuses Trump must be believed

We have all got sons or husbands do you believe that all accusations made against them must be true.

Grannygravy13,

Fentanyl and the unemployment rate have nothing to do with each other, despite whatever reaching programme you saw. I’ve lived in the US for decades. Bad policies by incompetent politicians have everything to do with the crumbling economy. The US has not recovered from the incompetence that was the Covid handling by this sexually assaulting maniac. Biden is clueless and doesn’t have a strong team around him. The drug problem in the US is a decades long issue that cannot be blamed as the culprit here. Fentanyl is the relatively new kid on the block. Before that it was heroin and crack-cocaine. Drugs are a symptom, not the source.

MaizieD

^ To top his status as a victim, he says the Judge was a Clinton appointment.^

This is precisely why appointments to the judiciary should never be in the gift of a politician.

This is how it works. It’s not a basis for an appeal just because Trump says so. He appointed more federal judges in his 4 years than nearly any other president. No one is going to grant him a new trial just because some judge was appointed by a president decades ago just because Trump no longer likes that former president. Just because Trump said it and someone printed it doesn’t mean it’s valid. The guy is a goof. A goof with low IQ supporters who is backed by smarter people who know they can take advantage of a low IQ electorate. I can throw a tonne of sh!t at the wall and see what sticks too. Trump does the same…every single day.

Germanshepherdsmum - absolutely. Which century are these people living in? Not the same one as me, apparently.

Katie59

It seems that Trump thinks he can kiss any attractive female he wishes, wether she wants it or not, the jury said that is sexual assault. The woman was awarded £5m for defamation because he called her a liar, it was a civil case and he probably did kiss her. So he deserved everything he got

What I’m concerned about is that she also accused him of rape, for which there seemed to be no basis at all. The woman was shown smiling as she left court, I would not have been if he had only been convicted of defamation.

The incident happened years ago. What basis are you looking for exactly? Should she be hysterically crying in 2023? It amazes me how some women will look for any reason whatsoever to discredit another woman. What are you implying here exactly? That because you wouldn’t be able to muster a smile after a victory against a famous, sexually assaulting bully, the woman’s credibility is in question? What I’m concerned about is in 2023 there are women who think like this still around. But I feel pleased that most younger women of today do not think like this, and therefore the mentality will soon die out.

MaizieD

^along with the visuals of tent cities cropping up in many States which apparently have increased since Joe Biden has been in office.^

Is this because although Biden is desperately injecting money into the US economy to encourage growth the US Central Bank is stymying his efforts by constantly increasing interest rates?

No idea MaizieD I am not an expert on American politics.

The news item I saw was highlighting the the cause and effects of Fentanyl and its correlation with the unemployed/unemployable.

They were trying to explain which came first the tent cities or the drug use. (Basically the chicken and egg situation)

I agree Maizie and I don’t agree that appointments to the HofL should be the gift of politicians either. Actually I don’t agree with even having a HofL but possibly there should be some sort of a second chamber.

along with the visuals of tent cities cropping up in many States which apparently have increased since Joe Biden has been in office.

Is this because although Biden is desperately injecting money into the US economy to encourage growth the US Central Bank is stymying his efforts by constantly increasing interest rates?

^ To top his status as a victim, he says the Judge was a Clinton appointment.^

This is precisely why appointments to the judiciary should never be in the gift of a politician.

I really cannot understand how Donald Trump is still being considered as a candidate for POTUS.

I can only hazard a guess that it is his make America great again soundbite along with the visuals of tent cities cropping up in many States which apparently have increased since Joe Biden has been in office.

I assume that those who continue to support Trump, both male and female, consider this sort of behaviour is perfectly acceptable. Manly stuff, what real men do and real women want. Like the memorable ‘locker room talk’. Unbelievable.

Katie59

It seems that Trump thinks he can kiss any attractive female he wishes, wether she wants it or not, the jury said that is sexual assault. The woman was awarded £5m for defamation because he called her a liar, it was a civil case and he probably did kiss her. So he deserved everything he got

What I’m concerned about is that she also accused him of rape, for which there seemed to be no basis at all. The woman was shown smiling as she left court, I would not have been if he had only been convicted of defamation.

There being no conclusive evidence of rape to enable a guilty verdict to be reached does not mean that he did not rape her Katie59.

It seems that Trump thinks he can kiss any attractive female he wishes, wether she wants it or not, the jury said that is sexual assault. The woman was awarded £5m for defamation because he called her a liar, it was a civil case and he probably did kiss her. So he deserved everything he got

What I’m concerned about is that she also accused him of rape, for which there seemed to be no basis at all. The woman was shown smiling as she left court, I would not have been if he had only been convicted of defamation.

It is mad. Utterly bonkers that such a man can fool so many people into voting for him. Surely eventually justice will prevail?

True or not I would have thought he is so discredited that no way would he stand a chance of being President again. How can he possibly be national leader? But apparently he will still be selected and possibly elected. Mad!

Grammaretto

The cult of Trump.
If he shot someone in public, his followers would still support him.
You notice he's always inclusive in his own defence language. He uses we rather than I.

It's a liberal witch-hunt apparently.

I said something very similar to a friend yesterday. No matter what he did - or does - there will always be those who blindly follow him.

He’s planning to appeal. Continues to insist he’s never met the victim. He says he’d never get a fair trial in New York as it’s a democratic state. To top his status as a victim, he says the Judge was a Clinton appointment.

Needless to say, his supporters are cheering him on. The idea this man could be the republican candidate is very hard to believe.

Obnoxious individual.
What a pity it wasn’t a criminal trial.
I do wonder at the mentality of his acolytes, god help America.

The cult of Trump.
If he shot someone in public, his followers would still support him.
You notice he's always inclusive in his own defence language. He uses we rather than I.

It's a liberal witch-hunt apparently.

I read that Smogg has defended Trump over the jury verdict.

What a crass, strange individual JRM is.

That matters, but I have a uncomfortable feeling he'll wriggle out of it..... may only be the tax related cases that end his chances.