Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

I agree with you GSM. With half a million people arriving legally in the UK each year, we do not need illegal immigrants too. We have insufficient infrastructure. As it is there are not enough houses/accommodation. Not enough health care, in particular too few doctors. Not enough teachers nor school places. Too many cars on our roads. Pressure to supply clean water to everyone in the country. The only people who are happy are those who sell food! Their sales will be up for every person who comes into the country.

As for how anyone comes from Afghanistan, I’m afraid every single citizen who lives in Afghanistan is in danger from the Taliban. Are we to accommodate them all?

When people refer to the lack of housing, schools and NHS facilities and staff they should bear in mind the Tories have had 13 years to build all those but did very little. They never replaced the social housing sold off under the previous Tory regime and their management of education has left teachers demoralised. And they abolished nursing bursaries and failed to increase university training for doctors. All this while pandering to the anti-immigrant lobby. It is their failure that means we need immigrants to support an ageing population. Why in earth can't those awaiting asylum be allowed to work? Why send potential workers to Rwanda?

Have a look at YouTube Undercover in the French Migrant camps it's an eye opener.

We had a referendum about leaving the EU. That hasn’t left many people happy.

It's obvious that people will never agree regarding whether such large numbers of legal/illegal asylum seekers should be welcomed in by the UK.
Regarding numbers taken in by other countries, perhaps we should compare how small the UK is in regard to some of the other nations.
Perhaps each UK county should have a referendum deciding whether they would be willing to accept these people in their area, and those crossing could be located in those areas?
Then everyone could be happy.

True. Add increased pressure on the NHS and education. Therefore I support the Bill - whatever it takes. This situation is not sustainable.

How many is enough when do we pull up the drawbridge. How many houses/flats do we have to build. Many British people born and bred here can't manage to get themselves a home, many are chasing after rental properties.

Naive in my opinion to think that if they were refused entry into Britain from a French processing facility they would just give up trying to get here, more reason in my opinion to pay the people smuggling gangs to get here illegally and then disappear into the black economy.

maddyone

Please remember that around 500,000 people immigrated to Britain last year, perfectly legally. Therefore there are ways to immigrate legally. Immigrants do not have to pay thousands of pounds to traffickers to get in a dinghy and sail here illegally. And it is illegal whatever some may say. There are legal ways to immigrate. Half a million people chose the legal route to this country just last year. Arriving without permission and no documents is illegal.

How does someone from Afghanistan fleeing the Taliban get official documents? ( this is a genuine question by the way).

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

I see Braverman was/has again been told that using defunct RAF quarters for the asylum seekers is a none runner and utterly unsuitable. Wonder if she will need advice?

Councils are taking court action because they had well developed plans for the site.

All very well but where should we put them all? Accommodation is a problem across the country for citizens of Britain. Where are we supposed to put hundreds of people arriving daily? Please answer because no one else appears to know but perhaps you do.

If our idiot Brexit government had accepted the French offer to let us open processing facilities in France we could have eliminated a significant number of bogus claimants before they even got into a rubber dinghy...

The successful claimants could then have come to the UK by legal means and straight away set about establishing themselves in jobs and accommodation.

Please remember that around 500,000 people immigrated to Britain last year, perfectly legally. Therefore there are ways to immigrate legally. Immigrants do not have to pay thousands of pounds to traffickers to get in a dinghy and sail here illegally. And it is illegal whatever some may say. There are legal ways to immigrate. Half a million people chose the legal route to this country just last year. Arriving without permission and no documents is illegal.

Whitewavemark2

I see Braverman was/has again been told that using defunct RAF quarters for the asylum seekers is a none runner and utterly unsuitable. Wonder if she will need advice?

Councils are taking court action because they had well developed plans for the site.

All very well but where should we put them all? Accommodation is a problem across the country for citizens of Britain. Where are we supposed to put hundreds of people arriving daily? Please answer because no one else appears to know but perhaps you do.

The debate seems to have gone off course here!

I am glad to hear that the House of Lords apparently has the guts to speak out against a bill, that is unethical and probably in opposition to international law on human rights.

That said, both Britain and every country in Europe needs to take the vast numbers of people trying to come to this continent seriously.

How this is best done is the sticking point, as no country could or should just welcome them all, for reasons of economy and due to the fact that we cannot promise them all jobs and housing.

We also all need to work hard to stop human trafficking in all its forms. Surely we can all agree that charging people exhoribant prices to cross the straits of Gibralter or the English Channel or any other waterway and then shoving them into rubber dingies and other unseaworthy craft is wrong and that this must be stopped, as we also must stop the same or similar criminals telling women there are jobs a plenty in Europe then selling them into prostitution.

But any measures put into place to stop these things, must be legal, decent and ethical, which as far as I can see this bill is not.

The rule that people have to document some form of prior connection to the country where they seek entry, is fine as far as it goes, but cannot possibly apply to someone born in some distant coumtry who has barely ever heard of Europe because his or her ancestors never left the place these unfortunates have been forced out of due to famine or war.

This is after all why there is a quota for the distrubution of refugees seeking to entry Europe legally. If this quota no longer applies to the UK post-brexit, you will just have to set reasonable limits for yourselves, won't you?

‘Whilst the Tories have said that they want to put British workers first, there is no policy behind the rhetoric. ‘
Did they actually say this - maybe they could start by paying British workers enough to live on, not removing employment rights, investing in education, helping people get well more quickly.

sundowngirl

Apparently the percentage of asylum claims approved in the UK is 90% , other countries much less. e.g. in Spain it is 5.9% - France 29% - no wonder they want to come here. Much more likely to be allowed to stay.

Where did those figures come from?

Willow68

I don’t know the answer to all
This illegal immigration, but we can’t keep having thousands arriving going to hotels, I do think if illegal then surely anything is better than what they say tbey are leaving for, and it has bigger money making gangs now it’s all so wrong. They should maybe spend more on catching the gangs . I just don’t know it’s a mess.

Coming to the UK and applying for asylum is not illegal!

Nannashirlz

Would you let a total stranger stay in your house that you don’t know what crimes they have committed. NO you wouldn’t so why should we let them stay in our country. Look at shortages in schools Nhs housing. I worry what my grandkids will have when adults or will they have to jump in a dinghy to leave and get a 4 star hotel

But nobody is expecting people to take in lodgers! Why do you think that all asylum seekers are criminals?

I do so agree with you GSM. So many seem entirely naive. We cannot go on being the refuse for the world. Australia had the answer.

Apparently the percentage of asylum claims approved in the UK is 90% , other countries much less. e.g. in Spain it is 5.9% - France 29% - no wonder they want to come here. Much more likely to be allowed to stay.

Would you let a total stranger stay in your house that you don’t know what crimes they have committed. NO you wouldn’t so why should we let them stay in our country. Look at shortages in schools Nhs housing. I worry what my grandkids will have when adults or will they have to jump in a dinghy to leave and get a 4 star hotel

MayBee70

maddyone

I believe that there should be no second chamber that has unelected representatives. Who exactly do these unelected people represent? Not me! So I’m not interested in their opinions on anything. When we have a properly elected second chamber, I’ll sit up and listen. Until then, I don’t care what any of them say.

Even though for the past few years they have spoken far more sense than the government?

in your opinion

Not illegal migration.

Asylum seekers - they are not illegal. You’ve been sold a pup by this government.

I don’t know the answer to all
This illegal immigration, but we can’t keep having thousands arriving going to hotels, I do think if illegal then surely anything is better than what they say tbey are leaving for, and it has bigger money making gangs now it’s all so wrong. They should maybe spend more on catching the gangs . I just don’t know it’s a mess.

Siope

I’d pay more too. Off to polish my halo now.

Better that than trying to blame the problems of this country on desperate people who make up just half of one percent of the population, rather than the government decisions which are the real cause.

100% agree - I’ll just get the polish out

On the point of “doing away” with the HoL, this would prove highly dangerous as any elected HoC with a large majority could literally pass any legislation/laws they wanted.

However I think HoL needs reviewing, perhaps 25% should be made up of ex-MPs, equal numbers for all parties, the 50% elected, and the remaining 25% “nominated” - think that would give good balance - just a thought