Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Fleurpepper

As said on another thread 'British culture (values) are not important'

apparently.

I don’t believe this to be true ! We can welcome migration and still retain our own traditional values (think the coronation showed the world we value our tradition, culture and ethos)

This current bill is abhorrent and I hope it doesn’t get passed.

I always find it amusing (and alarming) that many Brits appear to loathe migration whilst tucking into their Indian Take away, driving their Asian car and holidaying in Spain and also insist on still calling British Migrants “ex-pats” and conveniently forgetting how the commonwealth was “acquired”

I agree we need to address the way people are coming across in small boats, but I’d rather see the focus on the Traffikers, yes need to protect and control our borders - but let’s not forget we have countrywide skills shortages and vacancies across a myriad of sectors, including but not limited to, Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, IT and general care workers. We need a whole new approach to economic migration and a much better process for asylum seekers, ooh and stop giving the French millions of our hard earned ££££’s

thenationalscot
KS says Tories have lost control over immigration numbers.
12 May 2023
Hamish Morrison
There’s speculation that net migration could be set to reach record levels. The Telegraph reports figures to be released this month reveal level of net migration to UK could be nearly double 504k.

I believe the ons will publish a report on 25 May so wait until then for clarity.

Interesting that the nationalscot is in favour of having more migrants in Scotland.

I see Braverman was/has again been told that using defunct RAF quarters for the asylum seekers is a none runner and utterly unsuitable. Wonder if she will need advice?

Councils are taking court action because they had well developed plans for the site.

ronib

Well we definitely have flats going up fast around the south east but family houses with gardens are very few.
Looking at Uk net migration figures of between 700k and a million annually - latest figures suggested.

Eh? The ONS reckons that net immigration in 2022 was 504,000.

"Net migration for the UK in the year ending June 2022
Net international migration, which is the difference calculated between immigration and emigration within the same period, added to the UK population in the year ending (YE) June 2022. This was estimated to be at 504,000, an increase of 331,000 compared with the YE June 2021 (173,000).

This was driven by net migration of non-EU nationals, at 509,000 in the YE June 2022, an increase of 352,000 compared with YE June 2021. This was mainly driven by increases in students and migration events as outlined in the Immigration to the UK section.

Net migration of EU nationals was negative 51,000, a decrease of 63,000 compared with YE June 2021."

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2022#:~:text=Net%20international%20migration%2C%20which%20is,YE%20June%202021%20(173%2C000).

ronib

Oh dear I was just believing Sir Keir … he fooled me. Of course that was stupid.

Eh?

You've lost me.

Oh dear I was just believing Sir Keir … he fooled me. Of course that was stupid.

ronib

Well we definitely have flats going up fast around the south east but family houses with gardens are very few.
Looking at Uk net migration figures of between 700k and a million annually - latest figures suggested.

Oooh, get your google fingers going again, ronib.

How many people die annually?

(and you do know that annual births aren't replacing our population, don't you?)

Well we definitely have flats going up fast around the south east but family houses with gardens are very few.
Looking at Uk net migration figures of between 700k and a million annually - latest figures suggested.

We need to be building flats too

I wonder if the Government have decided what will happen to the approx 160,000 folk who are here as refugees from Ukraine. They were told they could stay for 3 years . Over a year has gone. No sign that it will be safe to return any time soon. Hope and pray they will all be allowed to stay.

ronib

Germany is building flats rather than houses as priority to house growing population.
And here?

Oooh! We have lovely pavements and shop doorways!

The problem with democracy ...

We frequently hear that the Goverment is committed to "delivering on the people's priorities". I guess they see this bill as a means of doing just that.
I find it unlikely that immigration is what most people are concerned about at the moment.

Dinahmo
Please note, I didn’t say we didn’t need a second chamber, I said we shouldn’t have an unelected chamber.
If the Lords were saying things you disagreed with I suspect you’d sing a different tune. I repeat, I will not take any notice of what they say or don’t say until they are elected!

Justin Welby's halo has slipped 😇 he's been convicted for speeding 😊

There is huge opposition to this bill for all sorts of reasons ranging from legal, humanitarian and workability etc.

I think it is inevitable that it is watered down.

I think that inevitably the people traffickers will use longer, more dangerous routes which are unlikely to be intercepted by border control. The death toll will rise and those who do manage to land will be completely without protection from gangmasters pimps and other ruthless individuals able to take advantage of victims unable to ask for help or report crime to the Police. Can you imagine what it will be like for these people?

maddyone

I believe that there should be no second chamber that has unelected representatives. Who exactly do these unelected people represent? Not me! So I’m not interested in their opinions on anything. When we have a properly elected second chamber, I’ll sit up and listen. Until then, I don’t care what any of them say.

The H of L regularly prevents the H of C from doing stupid things. Here's a link to the record of govt defeats in the H of L, if you can find the time to read it. It's quite interesting actually and demonstrates why we need this second chamber.

www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research-areas/parliament/changing-role-house-lords/government-defeats-house-lords

Germany is building flats rather than houses as priority to house growing population.
And here?

So,according to the world atlas the UK has 40 more people per /km2 than Germany and yet Germany has taken 2.2 million people. Rather more than the UK don't you think?

I disagree. Of course it is only a Bill. I wouldn’t comment on any legislation without having read it!

I had no idea that you had read the bill.

You will understand then how unworkable it is.

Ah, but the Bill seeks to impose numbers on those permitted to enter via a safe route (told you I’d read it) so the gangs will still be pitching for business. Your free route would doubtless win out but it would be sad to lose you from GN either through imprisonment or at the hands of the undercut gangs. 😁

Germanshepherdsmum

It would be aiding and abetting entry into the UK in breach of immigration controls, such entry being a criminal act under the Bill. Same as aiding and abetting any other criminal offence. Money doesn’t have to change hands.

Doh!! I had no idea

The whole issue can be resolved at stroke - ensure safe routes.

All issue resolved. Gangs scuppered - U.K. in control- humanity prevails.

What is your plan exactly to stop the dinghies Wwm2? No deterrent? How do you solve the problem?