Lords lay into the governments illegal migration bill

Try telling that to those of ethnic minority in this country.

Her language is no different to Enoch Powell and others of the far right, like Victor Orban and Geert Wilders.

Whitewavemark2

I see she has been reported by other lawyers to the legal body that oversees lawyers conduct as being racist and xenophobic.

The woman is a menace.

How can it be racist or xenophobic for any country to want to control it’s own migration numbers for the benefit of the country.
Doesn’t make sense.

52Whitewavemark2

I see she has been reported by other lawyers to the legal body that oversees lawyers conduct as being racist and xenophobic.

The woman is a menace.

What's that saying, 'When you're over the target you start taking flak

Annie1 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You are spot on.

MayBee70

Oreo

MayBee70

Oreo

volver3 Why do I have the feeling that if I’d said the Arctic instead of Australia you’d have said you’d lived there and knew all about it.😄
Reminds me of that song ‘I’ve Been Everywhere’
Whichever political party manages to stop the boats arriving almost daily will be the one with the keys to number ten.

Do you honestly think that is the most important problem facing this country? If so I find it very worrying.

Huh? Did I say it was the most important problem facing this country? No is the answer to that. In case you hadn’t noticed this thread is all about illegal migration, which may not be the most important problem but nevertheless is a problem and there seems to be no end in sight to it.

So why did you say that whoever solves the problem should be the person governing this country? Regardless of whether or not they solve far more important problems.

Maybee70 do you want to start reading what I actually write instead of putting your own spin on it? It would be helpful.

23:23Anniel

Well said, great post 👍

I see she has been reported by other lawyers to the legal body that oversees lawyers conduct as being racist and xenophobic.

The woman is a menace.

According to the Guardian the shortages are fruit pickers, HGV drivers and butchers.

So we want to import the Best from other countries and at the same time export our own very Best. Where is the logic?

I see Braverman is headlining this morning saying that the U.K. must train its own workers to fill the vacant jobs.
The U.K. worker Braverman insists “will forget how to work”

Where on earth do you begin with a statement of ignorance like this?

How about trying to retain the workers we have? My grandson and partner - both highly skilled one an electrical engineer at degree level specialising in computers and the other just finishing a PhD in child psychology. Both looking to emigrate because they hate the way the U.K. is heading. The xenophobia, the trashing of things like the NHS, the utter hopelessness of trying to get suitable housing because of the sheer lack of housing policy for year after year - on and on.

Canada is advertising for both their skills - it looks as if Canada will be the beneficiary.

Bravermans speech will succeed only in pitching worker against worker and yet more xenophobia.

The young have had enough of it and are using their feet to say so.

There are currently 41 asylum seekers living in Nauru, just for information. More were sent to Papua New Guinea where many have since settled permanently and were ‘released’ some time ago. The Nauru people are free to come and go now, thank goodness, but cannot come to Australia. Anyone who gets very ill is flown here but then returned on recovery. We still have a problem with ‘boat people smugglers’but because we are,literally, miles from anywhere, it is not like the UK, no comparison. The number arriving by boat is now very small - by plane is a different matter.

Oreo

MaizieD

Perhaps Oreo could explain where the £900 billion of quantitative easing governments have authorised since 2008 came from?
That is the scheme by which the Bank of England buys bonds so as to theoretically put money into the economy.
Then perhaps explain why 'printing money isn't the answer to everything'.

Of course it’s done to fund wars and when the economy is in trouble but it isn’t the cure all you seem to imagine it to be or used all the time either.

That's not an explanation. It's an unevidenced assertion.

I cannot take part in this argument. We have both sides who cannot agree. As I was an immigrant to Australia in 1949, the Australians welcomed us but hated “whinging poms” who kept saying how things were better done in England. The answer from the Aussies was brief and to the point. If you do not like it then you can bugger off back there! I am now living in a Caribbean country so am still an immigrant. However, expats get nothing here from the government and work and pay taxes. If I hear another word about the state of the NHS, the overcrowded schools and poor levels of Social Services I will think that such people should support raising taxes, VAT and so on. Genuine Asylum Seekers should be screened and get their applications approved or disapproved. But economic migrants should be removed and as for graduate students bringing their families with them to UK it is a very silly idea.
Many of you have little time for the non intelligentsia who are ordinary working class citizens. They feel poorly treated and many of you who look down your noses at people you regard as racists all because many of them will never be rehoused. I was working in Camden when there was a high influx of Polish immigrants in the late 90s and the Council had an obligation to house them. You must understand if you are on a waiting list for years and see others taking Council accommodation, then it is only human to be cheesed off.
Intellectuals live in a different world to the ordinary working class. I will admit that the growth of Islam in UK worries me.I have met quite a few well educated Muslims who become westernised, but my problem with Islam is about the status of women. We had organisations set up to help women who were courageous and left home and others who were young women being taken to Pakistan and other countries for arranged marriages based on financial arrangements and certainly not only any real suitability.Maybe it was living in inner London and working on housing estates that gave me this experience and makes me worry for the future. And why will you not admit that some European countries are much bigger than the British Isles and that we are one of the most densely populated in Europe.

I know I will be told I am plain ignorant and do not know what I am talking about. I also note the number of Scots grannies who give us the benefits of their experience. What proportion of the current large number of immigrants arriving in UK settle in Bonny Scotland. The Scots have the room for these people. So can I ask how the numbers pan out between England and Wales and Scotland%?

Oreo

MayBee70

Oreo

volver3 Why do I have the feeling that if I’d said the Arctic instead of Australia you’d have said you’d lived there and knew all about it.😄
Reminds me of that song ‘I’ve Been Everywhere’
Whichever political party manages to stop the boats arriving almost daily will be the one with the keys to number ten.

Do you honestly think that is the most important problem facing this country? If so I find it very worrying.

Huh? Did I say it was the most important problem facing this country? No is the answer to that. In case you hadn’t noticed this thread is all about illegal migration, which may not be the most important problem but nevertheless is a problem and there seems to be no end in sight to it.

So why did you say that whoever solves the problem should be the person governing this country? Regardless of whether or not they solve far more important problems.

MaizieD

Perhaps Oreo could explain where the £900 billion of quantitative easing governments have authorised since 2008 came from?
That is the scheme by which the Bank of England buys bonds so as to theoretically put money into the economy.
Then perhaps explain why 'printing money isn't the answer to everything'.

Of course it’s done to fund wars and when the economy is in trouble but it isn’t the cure all you seem to imagine it to be or used all the time either.

MayBee70

Oreo

volver3 Why do I have the feeling that if I’d said the Arctic instead of Australia you’d have said you’d lived there and knew all about it.😄
Reminds me of that song ‘I’ve Been Everywhere’
Whichever political party manages to stop the boats arriving almost daily will be the one with the keys to number ten.

Do you honestly think that is the most important problem facing this country? If so I find it very worrying.

Huh? Did I say it was the most important problem facing this country? No is the answer to that. In case you hadn’t noticed this thread is all about illegal migration, which may not be the most important problem but nevertheless is a problem and there seems to be no end in sight to it.

Don't know what to say. I did hear someone from Kent, on the radio. I definitely wouldn't like to live where she does!

Perhaps Oreo could explain where the £900 billion of quantitative easing governments have authorised since 2008 came from?
That is the scheme by which the Bank of England buys bonds so as to theoretically put money into the economy.
Then perhaps explain why 'printing money isn't the answer to everything'.

Oreo

volver3 your comments on this thread alongside those of MaizieD are like a comedy double act.😂
One thinks only they know how to solve the problem ( no, you sure don’t) and the other thinks printing money is the answer to everything ( no, it isn’t.)

How do you think we fought wars in the past. The Bank of England borrowed money. The wars were fought. The loans were paid back. The amount owed has gone up and down ever since the B of E came into being (1694) Think about all those wars starting with the 9 Years War against the French and then the War of Spanish Succession (1701 - 1714 ) and so on. Wars cost money. Where do you think it comes from if not the people? And some institutions of course who buy gilts.

Money is borrowed from me, you anyone else who has some funds to invest. Govt stocks are safe.

The following is an extract from pensions expert.com.

"They are deemed as one of the safest investments. After all, the UK government is unlikely to default on its debts as it can always print more money. But because gilt prices change in value all the time, that means there is investment risk attached, and you need to be comfortable with that and do your research first.21 Nov 2022"

Oreo

volver3 Why do I have the feeling that if I’d said the Arctic instead of Australia you’d have said you’d lived there and knew all about it.😄
Reminds me of that song ‘I’ve Been Everywhere’
Whichever political party manages to stop the boats arriving almost daily will be the one with the keys to number ten.

Do you honestly think that is the most important problem facing this country? If so I find it very worrying.

His choice Dinahmo. Not mine. As far as possible I prefer to choose who receives my money. God knows what the government of the day would do with it.

volver3 Why do I have the feeling that if I’d said the Arctic instead of Australia you’d have said you’d lived there and knew all about it.😄
Reminds me of that song ‘I’ve Been Everywhere’
Whichever political party manages to stop the boats arriving almost daily will be the one with the keys to number ten.

Germanshepherdsmum

FFS - how many of us willingly pays more tax than they are obliged to? But indeed, I don’t want my estate to attract greater IHT than it has to. Any lawyer will advise on that when preparing your will if your estate is likely to exceed the IHT threshold, but I expect you’d say Och no, leave it for the government to spend on their project du jour. And my will includes significant charitable legacies - a good way of directing money as you would wish and saving IHT, though the charitable legacies would be there regardless of IHT benefit as they are charities I support in life anyway.

Not everyone does. I suggested to a client that he should think inheritance tax and his response was that he'd provided each of his children with a deposit for a house and that was enough.

He's since become a grandfather and has started small savings schemes for his GCs but that's it.

Oreo

I think you’ll find that many people don’t agree with you but that’s neither here nor there as you can’t do a relevant opinion poll.
I wouldn’t believe that I have the answers volver3 unlike you who obvs does believe they do.😄
I doubt the problem of stopping the small boats can be done without something more drastic than has been tried before tho.
This is what Australia did, and it worked.Otherwise it will continue forever.

I used to live in Australia.

People subject to their rules, including children on Nauru, went mad, committed suicide. The Australian government's scheme was criticised by the UNHCR as causing deaths and harm to innocent men, women and children.

We could try that I suppose. Funny sort of objective to have, but it is the current crop of Tories in charge, I suppose. I can believe anything of them, really.

Well said Oreo.
Frankly, what is the point of continuing this discussion?
I am obliged for your apology volver. Yes, I want my child and grandchild to benefit from what I have worked for all my life. I have paid my taxes and continue to do so and when I could afford it I have donated to charities of my choice. I have by no means always been well off. What I have is the result of hard graft. I consider I am entitled to dispose of what I have as I choose, taxes paid. I expect you consider likewise.