Jacob Reed-Mogg admits that voter ID was an attempt at gerrymandering by the tories!

Look, I hardly care what random strangers online think of what JRM says or if they choose to distort or if the media leaves out preceding sentences.Plus as Casdon says, the damage is done, but in the interests of honesty the case needed to be put.Go and read the BBC online as they cover the entire thing.

It’s fleurpepper’s sweeping statement about what a judge would do which is ridiculous. So much misunderstanding of a few words - manipulated by the press, whose agenda precisely suits some posters who apparently do not have the ability to question and think for themselves. The power of the press is truly astounding - and frightening.

I think it's incredibly amusing that the tories are worried that the franchise being extended will mean that an even smaller percentage of voters will vote for them. They really do know that about two thirds of voters detest them.

And they don't seem to have much confidence in being able to attract votes from the younger generation...

Extending the franchise won't be achievable until after the next GE anyway. Perhaps they might concentrate their minds on making themselves attractive to voters in the meantime...

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s fleurpepper’s sweeping statement about what a judge would do which is ridiculous. So much misunderstanding of a few words - manipulated by the press, whose agenda precisely suits some posters who apparently do not have the ability to question and think for themselves. The power of the press is truly astounding - and frightening.

Do you not agree with my previous analysis of the sentence that puts gerrymandering and voter ID into the same piece of continuous text, GSM?

It is a faithful transcript of what he said. You can check it against the clip that Fp posted the link to. It doesn't have to be put in context. 'as' is the key word in it. It's generally interpreted as 'like', 'just like', or 'just as'. Do you have a different interpretation?

'dare I say it' is just rhetorical padding.

So, 'like ... we found', 'just as ... we found', or even (though v. poor grammar) 'just like.... we found'

I'd love to see how a barrister or a judge would interpret this sentence...

I can’t really believe there’s a good case to be made by allowing 16 year olds to have a vote, especially as most are still in school or further education until 18. I wish all political parties would leave it until 18, it’s early enough.I think it was done cynically in Scotland to appeal to young people who may well vote for independence.

I have already given my analysis Maizie. I stand by it and do not intend to argue the point further. It serves no purpose and is, frankly, tiresome.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have already given my analysis Maizie. I stand by it and do not intend to argue the point further. It serves no purpose and is, frankly, tiresome.

May I join you in the ‘me too’ corner? 😃

Please feel free. I’ll budge up, though I think we’ll have plenty of room. 😉

I don't think Rees-Mogg's words allow for much variation of interpretation. He said 'Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections. We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.'

Voter ID was not gerrymandering (in the sense that the latter implies fiddling the electoral boundaries or use of public money to shift voting intentions as happened in the Westminster case years ago) but the Mogg clearly accepts the Tory Party instituted Voter ID to bias the overall vote in their favour, a device which backfired because it prevented some older people from voting Tory. His English grammar needs improvement: we don't 'try and', we 'try to'.

Grantanow

I don't think Rees-Mogg's words allow for much variation of interpretation. He said 'Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections. We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative.'

Voter ID was not gerrymandering (in the sense that the latter implies fiddling the electoral boundaries or use of public money to shift voting intentions as happened in the Westminster case years ago) but the Mogg clearly accepts the Tory Party instituted Voter ID to bias the overall vote in their favour, a device which backfired because it prevented some older people from voting Tory. His English grammar needs improvement: we don't 'try and', we 'try to'.

Good post

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m not concerned about that wwm. As a lawyer I can see the difficulty in interpreting his words as an admission of gerrymandering. If this were the subject of court action, which of course it won’t be, his defence would be that he was comparing the outcome of gerrymandering with the unintended outcome of the ID requirement. We view this in different ways so there’s absolutely no point in arguing about it.

That's not analysis, GSM. That's just an opinion.

If you haven’t ID you don’t vote, end of.
Another post with incorrect information.
Maisie how you and others can deduct from his words that is was gerrymandering I don’t know, it’s your opinion not fact. Seeing what you want to see.
What GSM says is fact.

I deduced (sic) that is what he meant because that is what he said.

MaizieD

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s fleurpepper’s sweeping statement about what a judge would do which is ridiculous. So much misunderstanding of a few words - manipulated by the press, whose agenda precisely suits some posters who apparently do not have the ability to question and think for themselves. The power of the press is truly astounding - and frightening.

Do you not agree with my previous analysis of the sentence that puts gerrymandering and voter ID into the same piece of continuous text, GSM?

It is a faithful transcript of what he said. You can check it against the clip that Fp posted the link to. It doesn't have to be put in context. 'as' is the key word in it. It's generally interpreted as 'like', 'just like', or 'just as'. Do you have a different interpretation?

'dare I say it' is just rhetorical padding.

So, 'like ... we found', 'just as ... we found', or even (though v. poor grammar) 'just like.... we found'

I'd love to see how a barrister or a judge would interpret this sentence...

Try reading my analysis of the accurate transcription of the key sentence in his speech, Allsorts. Watch the clip that *Fleurpepper' posted the link to if you don't believe it's an accurate transcription.

Then think very carefully about the meaning of every single word in it and how they connect to each other to convey a message. Then decide what the message is.

Then explain in detail how and why you interpret those words differently.

Love it

Whitewavemark2

Love it

Yes and

' It serves no purpose and is, frankly, tiresome.'

as said before, it is quite funny, in a weird sort of way.