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Jacob Reed-Mogg admits that voter ID was an attempt at gerrymandering by the tories!

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Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 15:44:37

I’m not concerned about that wwm. As a lawyer I can see the difficulty in interpreting his words as an admission of gerrymandering. If this were the subject of court action, which of course it won’t be, his defence would be that he was comparing the outcome of gerrymandering with the unintended outcome of the ID requirement. We view this in different ways so there’s absolutely no point in arguing about it.

MayBee70 Mon 15-May-23 15:37:54

So JRM is now synonymous with gerrymandering and filibustering. Not something to be proud of is it.

Fleurpepper Mon 15-May-23 15:37:16

Oh you are funny, honestly!

MayBee70 Mon 15-May-23 15:36:22

Is he trying to use it as an excuse for the Conservatives doing so badly in the council elections?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 15-May-23 15:35:45

I think you are out voted gsm

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 15:33:24

Read what he’s reported to have said but I don’t take it as an admission of gerrymandering.

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 15-May-23 15:32:19

Couldn't happen to a nicer government.

MaizieD Mon 15-May-23 15:27:48

Goodness.

A journalist formerly with the Sunday Times has just come up with this, From an interview she did with JRM in early 2016

Charlotte Edwardes@chedwardes
1/4 I came across my interview with Jacob Rees-Mogg on 11th Feb, 2016. We talked–inevitably– about Brexit, and within that about immigration and refugees. This quote was filed, but didn’t make the final edit. I thought it was interesting in light of the debate raging today:

2/4 Rees-Mogg said he didn’t believe “broadly” that people come to Britain for benefits. “And I don’t like this view of immigrants. If you meet people that come from foreign countries, they’ve actually done something really rather remarkable.”

3/4 “They’ve left their friends and family, come to a country where they often don’t speak the language not because they are benefit scroungers, but because they want to make a better life. And that’s rather a noble thing to do, isn’t it?”

4/4 “It’s certainly a very Conservative thing to do. So to dismiss them and say ‘Oh well they’re just benefit scroungers, so if we take away a few benefits they won’t come,’ I don’t think treats them properly, but also it won’t be effective. So it’s a bad policy both ways round.”

twitter.com/chedwardes/status/1658079284727087105

hmm

MaizieD Mon 15-May-23 15:16:05

Of course, as people on twitter were pointing out, this wasn't gerrymandering, which specifically applies to altering boundaries, but voter suppression.

Perhaps the tories will repeal it in time for the general election...

Whitewavemark2 Mon 15-May-23 15:06:55

👀

Jon Sopel

Don’t want to go over the top, but this is absolutely jaw-dropping. Someone who was in the cabinet when legislation on voter ID was agreed and went through parliament acknowledges it WAS an attempt to gerrymander the elections

Siope Mon 15-May-23 14:49:42

He said:

“Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as I dare say we found by insisting on voter id for elections.”

I do t think there’s much ambiguity there.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 15-May-23 14:32:30

Well the bbc reported that Mogg considered it to be gerrymandering.

We were saying as such on here.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 15-May-23 13:58:27

I’m no fan of JRM but having read the piece three times I’m not convinced he did say the ID requirement was gerrymandering, rather that attempts at gerrymandering often backfire and the ID thing backfired.

Riverwalk Mon 15-May-23 13:51:56

And it backfired on the Tories - in the words of Rees-Mogg:

“We found the people who didn’t have ID were elderly and they by and large voted Conservative"

Ha bloody ha! grin

Wyllow3 Mon 15-May-23 13:43:37

I'm not sure that exact figures will be easy due to people being turned away outside the voting stations.

But the article is very clear - and quite interesting as in "it backfired" which indicates that there was intention in the first place to favour a conservative vote.

MaizieD Mon 15-May-23 13:37:41

Former cabinet minister says government attempt to suppress Labour support backfired and made it harder for Conservatives to vote.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-admits-tory-voter-id-law-was-gerrymandering_uk_64620db8e4b03e16f1a45050

Nothing to do with in person voting fraud after all.

Well, well, well... What a surprise....

An analysis released today showed thousands of voters were turned away from polling stations for not having the correct identification, and that hundreds of them never returned.

Just as was predicted. I'll try and find the figures