Pitch for leader ?

You can Google them HPQ. One does not have to be a QC/KC to qualify so your understanding is incorrect.

Apart from Braverman, 21st century Attorney Generals have been:

Peter Goldsmith
Patricia Scotland
Dominic Grieve
Jeremy Wright
Geoffrey Cox
Michael Ellis
Victoria Prentis

I'll leave others to Google their CVs.

Germanshepherdsmum

She would have qualified for a private course HPQ, that’s pretty obvious now.

And it’s usual for a junior barrister who is appointed Attorney General to be made a QC/KC at the same time. She’s not the first and it’s not ‘a stunning coincidence’ at all.

Really? Could you provide a list if previous Attorney Generals to back up your claim? I do understand, by the way, that one has to be a QC/KC to qualify. I thought that one had to have a decent period of KC experience before being recommended for the position

Who have been in that position before? I thought you had to be well versed in the law to be given the position of Attorney General.

She would have qualified for a private course HPQ, that’s pretty obvious now.

And it’s usual for a junior barrister who is appointed Attorney General to be made a QC/KC at the same time. She’s not the first and it’s not ‘a stunning coincidence’ at all.

Johnson was always quite open about his contempt for the law. To be fair to him he never hid that contempt from the electorate but they still voted for him. And that contempt has just filtered through parliament. Look at the way he tried to illegally prorogue parliament. I thought that was the end for him but he just carried on regardless and most people seem to have forgotten about it.

MayBee70

The last thing that Johnson wanted was an Attorney General with scruples. He needed someone as far removed from Dominic Grieve as possible.

Exactly this. By a stunning coincidence, Braverman was made QC the same day she was appointed Attorney General. Yet again, the reverse Midas touch of Johnson.

I couldn't care less about her getting a speeding fine, I do care a great deal about Braverman asking (a) if she could claim the fine on expenses as she was on Parliamentary business. Allegedly. and (b) thinking she is is so special that she can have a private session.

It would have been a five minute wonder if Braverman had appeared on the Zoom screen with other people, now, like everything with this damned administration, lies and obfuscation have made it worse.

She’s going to be before a select committee at 2.30. Routine Home Office stuff but I think the issue speeding fine will be raised.

I just hope she doesn't get replaced by Badenoch, who is just the same (if not worse), but is more cunning about her own PR.

MayBee70

The last thing that Johnson wanted was an Attorney General with scruples. He needed someone as far removed from Dominic Grieve as possible.

Thanks growstuff, I think you’re correct. It has to be just a bit life affirming that some in the Conservative Party are unhappy with Braverman.

The last thing that Johnson wanted was an Attorney General with scruples. He needed someone as far removed from Dominic Grieve as possible.

I think this is about more than Braverman's speeding fine. It really does look as though somebody within the party is briefing against her.

A few days ago, there were reports that some backbenchers were unhappy with her speech at the NatCon conference and accused her of not being a team player. Now there are claims that she tried to miss the third vote on her own immigration bill.

There have been rumours for some time that she's unpopular with backbenchers because she's gone too far and as a result of her rhetoric.

I suspect Conservative MPs know that she's not reflecting the mood of the country and they're looking at their own dwindling majorities. Sure people want to bring down net migration, but the Rwanda plan and the rhetoric are going too far. The Conservatives have failed to address the issue of migration and it seems as though Braverman has positioned herself as "tough", so she can blame everybody else.

Conservative MPs are too spineless to vote against the immigration bill, but it doesn't mean they're not critical of it, so they resort to other means of bringing down its author.

Braverman's rise within the party is astonishing. She doesn't appear to have much political understanding. She's an ERG puppet. Whenever I've seen interviews with her, she looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights and is usually unprepared for questioning. She didn't have the legal experience to be Attorney General and her credentials to be Home Secretary aren't good. She's an ideologue in the same way Truss is and a vote loser.

Daisymae

I see tonight that No.10 are saying that they have full confidence in Braverman. Guess that's it for her then.

Crikey. Who are they going to find who’s nasty enough to implement their Rwanda plan? They’re running out of likely candidates. Might have to bring back a disgraced MP from the back benches.

I think that we have to accept that, for some reason, ronib has a deep dislike of the civil service and leave her to get on with it. 😟

I see tonight that No.10 are saying that they have full confidence in Braverman. Guess that's it for her then.

There’s a clear security information risk therefore and it needs addressing. I understand the emotion surrounding this situation but the way information has been leaked to the press does need an investigation.

I doubt very much that a seasoned politician would divulge sensitive information to her hairdresser . Unless her office has been bugged? It does happen.

Oreo

I had a think about this and hmm, I can see that well known people including politicians, actors etc would want not to be in a group, it would be humiliating in a way that any of us wouldn't find it to be. The only thing for her to do tho is take the fine and the points.

That's precisely what she should have done in the first place. There would have been a bit of tutting, but then it would quickly have been forgotten.

ronib

Casdon but how since there were presumably only two people in the room- SB and unknown civil servant - could they have known about the specific request for information? Do you really think a friend, husband, political adviser, a member of her family etc were likely to leak information? Or maybe the leak occurred when the unknown civil servant reported what was thought to be a breach to the appropriate Human Resources official, another civil servant. Perhaps an enquiry will clarify.

Every article I have read says that the civil servants said they would not deal with this for her, so she used a political advisor, who tried but failed. You just can’t make accusations about people with no evidence ronib.

It could be any of the people I have mentioned, or somebody else. Who knows, maybe she sounded off about her frustrations in the Conmons bar, to her hairdresser, we just don’t know.

Casdon but how since there were presumably only two people in the room- SB and unknown civil servant - could they have known about the specific request for information? Do you really think a friend, husband, political adviser, a member of her family etc were likely to leak information? Or maybe the leak occurred when the unknown civil servant reported what was thought to be a breach to the appropriate Human Resources official, another civil servant. Perhaps an enquiry will clarify.

ronib

Casdon the point is how did this information come into the public domain? SB is hardly likely to have divulged it. So who else did? What was the motivation in the disclosure?

These are some of the possibilities:
Her political aide
Another minister
A civil servant
A staff member from the speed awareness course organisers
A friend
A member of her family.
There are no doubt other possible sources too, it could be anybody who knew about it, so I’ll ask you again, where have you got the information from that a civil servant was responsible?

Casdon the point is how did this information come into the public domain? SB is hardly likely to have divulged it. So who else did? What was the motivation in the disclosure?

Where have you got the information from that says that civil servants broke a confidentiality clause and released these details ronib, I can’t find that reported anywhere?

You are missing the point about this. MPs are as likely as anybody else to get caught speeding. You would expect them to do what we would do - suck it up, accept responsibility, pay the fine, attend awareness trading or take the points - without asking anybody else to keep what they have done under the radar and do favours for them. It’s abuse of the privilege of ministerial office to do that. There is no excuse, she was behaving like an entitled idiot.

I didn’t think that civil servants were supposed to give details of their interactions with government ministers. So how exactly did this amazing news get into the public domain? There used to be a need for absolute confidentiality… well that’s in the past?
Suella Braverman isn’t the first Solicitor General to have broken the speed limit with Harriet Harman pleading guilty to speeding at 99 mph in 70 mph limit.
Strange times.

I had a think about this and hmm, I can see that well known people including politicians, actors etc would want not to be in a group, it would be humiliating in a way that any of us wouldn't find it to be. The only thing for her to do tho is take the fine and the points.

ronib

No - not excuses. Am more worried about the integrity of the British civil service than SB having just read about the evacuation of Afghanistan.
You do remember Chris Huhne, Vicky Pryce and a Labour mp also involved in speeding offences?

What's the integrity of the civil service got to do with this case?

According to all the reports I've read, the civil service did act with integrity. They're not supposed to act for ministers in their personal life so, when asked, they didn't give any "advice" about the speeding conviction.