Braverman attempts a cover up.

growstuff

I was caught about five metres before the end of a 30mph limit in a semi-rural area. I was just beginning to accelerate. The police officer with his camera was hiding behind a bush! I don't think the courses even existed in those days.

I thought they weren't supposed to hide...

I was caught years ago when I'd managed to lose myself in Northumberland. I was desperately trying to work out how to find the right road! It was in a village where there was absolutely no other traffic on the road and the cop was hiding...

luluaugust

Growstuff I am waiting to hear what they are going to do about me speeding and I am very relieved if there is a possibility of doing it on line. Never been caught before in 52 years of driving and it has affected my confidence such a lot.

Please don't let it affect your confidence, luluaugust. I wouldn't worry about it if you know that you're usually a careful driver who respects speed limits. I'd worry if I thought I was losing my ability to concentrate while driving or my ability to judge my speed.

I was caught about five metres before the end of a 30mph limit in a semi-rural area. I was just beginning to accelerate. The police officer with his camera was hiding behind a bush! I don't think the courses even existed in those days.

growstuff

MaizieD

growstuff

Maizie The fine is the same.

I must be misremembering. I got a speeding ticket a couple of years ago and I'm sure that it was cheaper to do the course than pay the full fine. But I'm happy to accept that you're correct.

My partner did one a few months ago. I thought he told me the fine was the same as the fee for the course, but I'll check. The timing of it was inconvenient for him, but the advantage was that he didn't get any points.

Oh, maybe it was that, then.

I just paid up and took the points because I didn't see them as being a problem. I'm usually very careful about speed limits and don't intend to get any more points... This particular time was due to a fit of absentmindedness in an unfamiliar area (I was admiring the poppies in a roadside field and didn't see the speed limit sign and police van until too late..☹)

luluaugust

Growstuff I am waiting to hear what they are going to do about me speeding and I am very relieved if there is a possibility of doing it on line. Never been caught before in 52 years of driving and it has affected my confidence such a lot.

From memory, my partner received a notice through the post a few days after he was caught on camera. He filled out a form confirming that he was the driver. I think he was given the option of doing the course at that stage, but it could have been in a further letter. I guess they'd already been able to check that he hadn't done the course before, he didn't have any points on his licence and the speed he was doing was within the limits for doing the course.

I know that if you challenge it and opt to go to court, you could end up paying a substantially higher fine. if your challenge fails.

Bella23

In our county the online is not done individually but in a group who can all see each other . I suppose she is easily distinguishable.
Most families have someone who has had speeding tickets why didn't she just pay up and take the points in the first place and no one would have known? Somehow it points to a peculiar character.

That's what I think.

MaizieD

growstuff

Maizie The fine is the same.

I must be misremembering. I got a speeding ticket a couple of years ago and I'm sure that it was cheaper to do the course than pay the full fine. But I'm happy to accept that you're correct.

My partner did one a few months ago. I thought he told me the fine was the same as the fee for the course, but I'll check. The timing of it was inconvenient for him, but the advantage was that he didn't get any points.

In our county the online is not done individually but in a group who can all see each other . I suppose she is easily distinguishable.
Most families have someone who has had speeding tickets why didn't she just pay up and take the points in the first place and no one would have known? Somehow it points to a peculiar character.

ronib

Growstuff the fact that two senior civil servants are denouncing SB in the Guardian gives my version some credibility….
But as my husband says, there’s no point arguing with people who are so entrenched in their own political positions that discussion becomes impossible. So I won’t bother.

That made me laugh - pot kettle black.

ronib

Growstuff the fact that two senior civil servants are denouncing SB in the Guardian gives my version some credibility….
But as my husband says, there’s no point arguing with people who are so entrenched in their own political positions that discussion becomes impossible. So I won’t bother.

No problem! I can't be bothered with your husband either.

growstuff

Maizie The fine is the same.

I must be misremembering. I got a speeding ticket a couple of years ago and I'm sure that it was cheaper to do the course than pay the full fine. But I'm happy to accept that you're correct.

Growstuff the fact that two senior civil servants are denouncing SB in the Guardian gives my version some credibility….
But as my husband says, there’s no point arguing with people who are so entrenched in their own political positions that discussion becomes impossible. So I won’t bother.

Growstuff I am waiting to hear what they are going to do about me speeding and I am very relieved if there is a possibility of doing it on line. Never been caught before in 52 years of driving and it has affected my confidence such a lot.

Whitewavemark2

Reading all the headlines today, it seems clear as growmore suggested, that No 10 has distanced itself from Braverman, and her incompetence.

She was wrong asking civil servants to help her over what was a private matter. That is not their job and to put them into such an invidious position is unfair.

Civil Servants cannot leak information to get rid of a Minister they don’t like. It happens too often and should be stopped.
Did SB ask not to be fined for speeding. No she didn’t. Did she ask to be let off the speeding course. No she didn’t.
All she did was ask if it was possible to take the course somewhere else in private.

It is so easy to go over the speed limit in a city. At least she was offered a choice unlike me. She was just over the speed limit.

Storm in a teacup I think.

ronib

There’s so much embroidery going on on this forum and in the msm. It puts the Guild of Master Embroiderers to shame.
In order for more transparency in leaking information about government and its ministers, I think it is important for democracy that newspapers are made to name their sources. This is done through an application to the courts.
It is true that Rishi Sunak was trying to govern in a much less sensational manner than Boris Johnson and I guess this wasn’t selling news. Hence the kickback.
We need to be reassured that the impartiality of the Civil Service is being maintained at all times.

Well, as conspiracy theories go, that scores a few points ...

Whitewavemark2

Not growmore but growstuff I had just been posting about compost😄😄

No worries! I keep thinking about changing my username because I don't grow much stuff these days.

I don't think she was being a cheapskate. I think she was being arrogant and thought her lofty position meant that she's entitled to something other people aren't.

Maizie The fine is the same.

Visgir1

Germanshepherdsmum

I can understand why she would want to attend a private course - there would be a security issue for a start, she couldn’t attend without bodyguards. When that turned out not to be possible she paid the fine and took the points. Speeding is a common enough offence. Misbehaviour? Miscreant behaviour? Come on!

Totally agree. I'm not a fan, but she's a lawyer she knows, or should do how this should be played.

The fact that she doesn't appear to know, isn't the greatest recommendation for somebody who holds one of the great offices of state.

Don't forget Sunak's pledge about “integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level”.

Primrose53

growstuff

luluaugust

I thought she asked because she has protection people as a Minister and was trying to work out how to take them all with her to an awareness course. In the end she paid a fine and took the points which will affect her insurance.

Where did you get that idea from?

She could have done the course online from anywhere with an internet connection. Nobody would have known where she was.

They would have recognised her unusual name though and her face!! It’s all a bit happy clappy, you introduce yourself by first name and you see who everybody is. No surnames are given or addresses but people do say things like “I am in the north of the county” etc.

If she had been that worried about being recognised she could have just paid the larger fine and taken the points. No-one would have been any the wiser.

I think that she was just being a cheapskate. What else would one expect of someone who claimed for her parent's heating bills because she occasionally stayed at their house (£25,000 is a figure I've seen)

Primrose53

It’s a load of fuss over nothing! All she did was ASK if it was possible to do the test privately. She was told it wasn’t so accepted the fine and points. It was a year ago so someone, somewhere has sat on this info until they thought the timing was right!

No, Braverman herself has caused this by her own behaviour. She doesn't have many friends in the Conservative Party, so I'd look at them, if I were you.

Germanshepherdsmum

I can understand why she would want to attend a private course - there would be a security issue for a start, she couldn’t attend without bodyguards. When that turned out not to be possible she paid the fine and took the points. Speeding is a common enough offence. Misbehaviour? Miscreant behaviour? Come on!

Totally agree. I'm not a fan, but she's a lawyer she knows, or should do how this should be played.

I'm not even sure that it's cheaper than paying the fine (could be wrong). It's only for minor issues, for those with clean licences and you can only do one every so many (three?) years.

The only real advantage is that you don't get points and it doesn't have to be declared for insurance purposes.

It’s a load of fuss over nothing! All she did was ASK if it was possible to do the test privately. She was told it wasn’t so accepted the fine and points. It was a year ago so someone, somewhere has sat on this info until they thought the timing was right!

The course is a privilege and not offered to everyone apparently. I can't remember who gets offered it. It's a way of getting out of fines and points.

The course is offered if you haven''t done one before and have a clean licence (it's possible to have had points before which have expired). It doesn't get you off the fine, it's just a cheaper fine if you do the course. It only lets you off the points.