Braverman attempts a cover up.

ronib

I can imagine Siope that in conversation with a minister, a diary officer might feasibly be asked about the time slot availability for taking a speed awareness course. Bearing in mind the huge work load of a senior government minister, an informal conversation might follow about how to arrange such an appointment to fit in with a very busy schedule….etc.
Obviously SB did talk to someone in her team and the rest is conjecture. I would love to know who snitched and why but that’s just curiosity?

Yes, make enquiries about timing of courses and book a public one in, but that's not the issue, is it?

I repeat, for the Conservatives its the future survival of the Party, and for me, the future of a very dangerous woman in terms of our democracy who allies herself with forces outside our democracy and demonises for populist purposes whole groups of people.

Straw and Camels back time.

You would think this was the Profumo affair.

She was filmed doing 23mph in a 20 mph area' If the speed excess is minor, the powers reserve the right to offer a 'speed awareness course instead of penalty points, but the fine is still levied for the offense of speeding..

I can imagine Siope that in conversation with a minister, a diary officer might feasibly be asked about the time slot availability for taking a speed awareness course. Bearing in mind the huge work load of a senior government minister, an informal conversation might follow about how to arrange such an appointment to fit in with a very busy schedule….etc.
Obviously SB did talk to someone in her team and the rest is conjecture. I would love to know who snitched and why but that’s just curiosity?

ronib you don’t seriously believe managing a diary is the same as making personal beneficial arrangements for a minister?

She denied that she was caught speeding on a number of occasions. Just as she previously broke the ministerial code on numerous occasions and for which she was sacked.

I didn’t realise that there was another issue too. Yvette Cooper said:
‘She refused to say what she asked civil servants to do, so I ask her that again, and to also tell us whether she authorised her special adviser to tell journalists that there wasn't a speeding penalty when there was," she asks.
Ms Braverman replies, almost exhaustedly, that she was speeding last year.
"I regret that. I paid the fine. I accepted the points. At no time, did I seek to avoid the sanction. What is serious here is the priority of the British people," she says.’
(Sky News).
Apparently the Mirror were on to this denial of the speeding fine in April, and there’s a transcript of the conversation with the Special Advisor.

The institute for government explains in detail the roles surrounding ministers including 2) managing the diary.

There's often a "tipping point" in public life, where the "final straw" has been reached in a relatively undramatic way, and this may well be one of them.

Its all this I find interesting, and tb fair, no one is obliged to continue posting on this thread!

Her performance in the HoC, just attacking Labour instead of answering questions from Yvette Cooper, was pathetic, and rightly challenged by The Speaker.

No point in dancing on a pin head.

No 10 is leaking this information.

Braverman has criticised No 10 within the past couple of weeks or so.

This is a push back. It may be just a warning to her, or it may be the beginning of her end in the HO. Sunak owes her nothing, except the promise the HO job from which she had been sacked , for her support

Her support has apparently gone, so Sunak May now see her as too much of a liability as her time at the HO has not been remotely successful,

As I said, who knows? This is getting very boring.

Germanshepherdsmum

The request may have been passed up to them. Who knows?

In which case, even the lowly office junior secretary must have known that it was probably wrong...

The request may have been passed up to them. Who knows?

ronib

MaizieD in the absence of any real evidence/information, why not fixate on the secretary? It makes as much sense/nonsense as anything else that’s been written.

Well, ronib, the story I've seen says that two senior HO civil servants approached the Cabinet Office for advice on Braverman's request. That doesn't sound like 'a secretary' to me...

Yes it is relatively small in the scheme of things.

Yes there are some conservatives who fear for the parties popularity with Braverman as Home Secretary

Yes there are a very large number of people across the political spectrum who are deeply disturbed by the far right group existing outside the Conservative Party that Braverman espouses, who actually consider he a danger to our democracy, and her views on those seeking asylum and the language she uses Populist hate strirring

yes there are large number of people who following many recent events care deeply about integrity in public life

and I have no doubt that it's a combination of these that have led to the levels of publicity.

Like I said up thread, she could have handled it in such as way as to be to her advantage,

but I do believe a lot of people have come to perceive her as that very dangerous of species, a politician who believes that as long as you can get away with something, and you are "Above" the ordinary cut of the crowd, then its OK to do almost anything.

and it simply isnt.

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Just listened to an interview with ‘Mr Loophole’. He said he has arranged one to one speed awareness courses for high profile clients on the basis that their presence would distract others from what they are there to do.

Yes you are correct that so called high profile people can apply for a one to one speed awareness course.

I am slightly confused that civil servants are not supposed to do anything for their Ministers. Do all Ministers employ non civil servant PA’s to overcome this?

Civil servants do not carry out anything if a private nature for ministers.

People don’t seem to understand the civil service.

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Neither would I but my husband certainly did.

As did mine, and our office secretary is the oil that keeps everything running smoothly.

Office secretaries or PAs are NOT civil servants. Braverman will be absolutely aware when she crosses the line.

Ministers do not have secretaries - everything should be done through the civil service.

MaizieD in the absence of any real evidence/information, why not fixate on the secretary? It makes as much sense/nonsense as anything else that’s been written.

MaizieD

I'm not sure why people are fixated on the idea that Braverman's secretary was the person involved. I'm sure that a secretary wouldn't have referred the request to the Cabinet Office for advice on what to do about it.

But a query. Would a minister's secretary be a civil servant or a non cs appointment? Does anyone know?

My money would be on a Conservative MP who found out about it. Braverman is seen as a liability and they're watching their own backs.

Ooops! Sorry Casdon cross post.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/ministers-private-offices

MaizieD

I'm not sure why people are fixated on the idea that Braverman's secretary was the person involved. I'm sure that a secretary wouldn't have referred the request to the Cabinet Office for advice on what to do about it.

But a query. Would a minister's secretary be a civil servant or a non cs appointment? Does anyone know?

A minister's private secretary is a civil servant. He or she is responsible for running the ministers' office BUT is not supposed to have any involvement in the minister's personal life. If they want to employ somebody to do that kind of work, they need to pay out of their own pocket, which some do.

MaizieD

I'm not sure why people are fixated on the idea that Braverman's secretary was the person involved. I'm sure that a secretary wouldn't have referred the request to the Cabinet Office for advice on what to do about it.

But a query. Would a minister's secretary be a civil servant or a non cs appointment? Does anyone know?

Yes, they are.
www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/grade-structures-civil-service

I'm not sure why people are fixated on the idea that Braverman's secretary was the person involved. I'm sure that a secretary wouldn't have referred the request to the Cabinet Office for advice on what to do about it.

But a query. Would a minister's secretary be a civil servant or a non cs appointment? Does anyone know?