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Freedom of speech in the UK?????

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varian Wed 24-May-23 09:29:12

An expert in chemical weapons who had been invited to speak at a conference has had his invitation withdrawn because he had criticised the Tories.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/23/dan-kaszeta-banned-from-uk-government-event-for-tweets-criticised-tories

Galaxy Fri 26-May-23 09:36:06

I think Peterson did speak didnt he? I think I listened to an interview he did about it.

ronib Fri 26-May-23 09:37:34

And one last point - Angelo Sanchez, Leicester Sth CLP spoke at the Labour conference to oppose sending more weapons to Kiev. Another delegate had felt too intimidated to speak against the motion after seeing the way he was attacked. Mr Sanchez was suspended from the Labour Party.
As reported in the Morning Star.
So wouldn’t want to encourage a culture of not speaking out would we even on Gnet?

ronib Fri 26-May-23 09:46:08

Yes Galaxy Peterson did return and speak. I read one lone demonstrator dressed up as a lobster and shouted ‘feminism’ and left.

Philippa111 Fri 26-May-23 10:16:46

If you missed Mhairi Blacks speech in 2022 on Fascism in the government... here it is.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ3QwA5wy8

varian Tue 30-May-23 19:37:40

Philippa111

If you missed Mhairi Blacks speech in 2022 on Fascism in the government... here it is.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ3QwA5wy8

Thank you *Phillipa". As a Scot and a Unionist, I have never been a fan of Mhairi Black, but I have to agree with every point she makes in this important speech.

Grantanow Thu 01-Jun-23 09:16:41

It's entirely for the conference organisers to decide - government in this case but it makes them look foolish to reject an expert on irrelevant grounds. Most experts can distinguish between their expertise and their political views.

MaizieD Thu 01-Jun-23 11:12:55

Mr Kaszeta is not taking this lying down!

He has managed to get a copy of the apparent 'guidelines ' for vetting speakers placed in the House of Commons Library. He's posted a twitter thread on it.

Worth a read. It's worrying.

twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/1664192737631956994

I said 'apparent' because the 'guidelines which have been made available don't seem to apply to the conference from which he was stood down. Though he says that he was assured that these are the applicable guidelines... hmm

ronib Thu 01-Jun-23 14:57:50

Dan Kaszeta is also posting that if you want to support him, buy one of his books.

Um ….. I know publishers have some pretty strange ideas but …..

MaizieD Thu 01-Jun-23 15:10:50

ronib

Dan Kaszeta is also posting that if you want to support him, buy one of his books.

Um ….. I know publishers have some pretty strange ideas but …..

So what?

Lots of people do that. You don't have to buy their books.

ronib Thu 01-Jun-23 15:18:27

True MaizieD and since Kaszeta wasn’t going to be paid for talking to the civil servants, he is clearly not out of pocket.

However he seems to have set himself up as an arch critic of the government so I guess he will become reliant on book sales. He also tweets that even if comments are made using a pseudonym, the originator can be traced. Shows a remarkable lack of understanding of how to play the system with technology! Good luck to him though.

winterwhite Thu 01-Jun-23 15:25:29

Still haven't grasped the nature of the event and the intended audience.
If it's to "discover and offer fresh thinking, new ideas, and different approaches" as someone quoted above, that isn't going to be achieved if all the speakers think the same way in the first place. But if it's a learning event to disseminate govt thinking of course all the speakers will be acolytes and you can see why they wouldn't want K. But that wouldn't really be a conference would it?

ronib Thu 01-Jun-23 15:39:44

Doesn’t everyone want acolytes?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 01-Jun-23 15:52:07

winterwhite

Still haven't grasped the nature of the event and the intended audience.
If it's to "discover and offer fresh thinking, new ideas, and different approaches" as someone quoted above, that isn't going to be achieved if all the speakers think the same way in the first place. But if it's a learning event to disseminate govt thinking of course all the speakers will be acolytes and you can see why they wouldn't want K. But that wouldn't really be a conference would it?

I think that is right. But judging by the link maizie put up, this is the preferred modus operandi of the Tory party. Crush all dissent.

Wyllow3 Thu 01-Jun-23 15:52:30

Germanshepherdsmum

Their conference, their decision on who to invite.

Our money!

It's not a Conservative Party conference, its set up by a government we all pay for.

It's is certainly not OK to invite someone because they disagree with they way you vote on this matter. This is actually a matter of grave concern in a democracy.

MaizieD Thu 01-Jun-23 15:56:31

ronib

True MaizieD and since Kaszeta wasn’t going to be paid for talking to the civil servants, he is clearly not out of pocket.

However he seems to have set himself up as an arch critic of the government so I guess he will become reliant on book sales. He also tweets that even if comments are made using a pseudonym, the originator can be traced. Shows a remarkable lack of understanding of how to play the system with technology! Good luck to him though.

Jesus wept.

ronib Thu 01-Jun-23 15:58:22

Yes MaizieD and he will carry on weeping.