Puzzled about 'kidnapping' lambs

flock ! of sheep !

Chardy

The vegans I know don't preach. Some of the veggies I know could be vegan - I don't know because they don't preach.

I found out that two separate neighbour households were veggie recently. One lot asked me round for a meal, I said I was veggie, they said no problem as they were too. I was talking to the other neighbours about storing food.

My view of Vegans is the same as Jehovahs Witnesses, they are entitled to their lifestyle and views but don’t preach to me.

vegansrock

Eating meat is lifestyle choice too callistemon, you won’t die without it in our society. We are fortunate to have such choices. I don’t think you can blame vegans for what manufacturers or restaurants put on their labels or menus. They are trying to sell more products. I’ve had to be gluten free for a while and it’s much more difficult / expensive than choosing vegan products , since it costs more to produce. Vegan food is relatively cheap . More people are choosing to be flexible with their eating habits and not insisting on meat at every meal, which is a good thing environmentally.

It's something we noticed when we were eating out a lot last year with visitors - restaurants (particularly chain ones) used to label gf meals but aren't bothering now, but vegan and vegetarian options are labelled.
As you will know, vegan or vegetarian options don't mean gf.
It's become more difficult, I'm sorry you are having problems with gluten too.

Doodledog

Yes, you can knit with rabbit fur. It is angora.

I had a cream angora beret and gloves which someone knitted for me when I was young - they shed and made me sneeze. I hated them.

The rabbits are dodgy because of myxo, no one eats them now and I get the impression there are not so many .

I can tell you where all the rabbits are, then nanna8!!

My mother said she'd never eat rabbit again after myxomatosis.

Hetty%* I have moved over to eating 'Pasture for Life' meat, which probably gives the animals involved a better life than they would have in the wild, and reduces emissions to an absolute minimum.

I have never had any moral qualms about eating meat. As for Meat eaters can only answer, honestly, that they really enjoy eating it I cannot see what your point is, surely that is what anyone would say about what they eat. I have yet to meet anyone who actively chose to eat food they did not like.

Personally, I find that people who think and care about what they eat, tend to be fitter and healthier than those who don't, regardless of their eating regime. And as we know being vegan or vegetarian does not mean necessarily mean eating healthily. Someone has to eat all those fake meats and UPFs aimed at vegitarians and vegans. It certainly isn't meat eaters.

NotSpaghetti, it's so disappointing that a judge considers 'Frankenchickens' perfectly acceptable. There's such a huge disconnect between the average consumer and the production, including the cruelty, making it easy to ignore - or just claim ignorance.

I'm sure most people would be so appalled, if it was happening right in front of them, that they'd never eat chicken again.

I cook for everyone - vegans, veggies, pescatarians, carnivores - and the allergy ridden of friends and family. Nobody is 'preachy' about it as there's simply no need. There is no argument, so carnivores admire the (fit, well and flourishing) vegans and are going in that direction, too - slowly.

The grandchildren are very clued up and talk about animal welfare, environmental concerns, food production efficiency and human health - in great detail. They're the 'preachy' ones.

Meat eaters can only answer, honestly, that they really enjoy eating it, that's all. For now, they've stopped eating beef and lamb, the worst environmental offenders, as a step in the right direction - and hardly a big deal.

Vegans really don't need to argue their case now, the facts support veganism - it's all there, done and dusted. Anyone concerned for the future has to agree:

www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/why-meat-is-bad-for-the-environment/

When I was a child and lived in Malaysia and Singapore, we used, on occasion see kangaroo steaks in the butcher. I might have eaten it, I was quite a steak person then - until I had severe food poisoning.

My mother certainly used to buy kangaroo meat to feed the dog.

The vegans I know don't preach. Some of the veggies I know could be vegan - I don't know because they don't preach.

I found out that two separate neighbour households were veggie recently. One lot asked me round for a meal, I said I was veggie, they said no problem as they were too. I was talking to the other neighbours about storing food.

Fish costs such a lot these days and so does lamb and beef. Chicken and pork are cheaper but I don’t like eating pork because of the dreadful conditions pigs have to survive in. Fine if you live near somewhere where you can catch your own fish but we don’t. The rabbits are dodgy because of myxo, no one eats them now and I get the impression there are not so many . We have just travelled thousands of miles across outback Northern Territory and west Australia and haven’t seen a solitary one, much to my surprise. Plenty of bats,though, perhaps we could eat them ?

There are a lot of rabbits in Australia but not the plague number of the past, the disease myxomatosis has reduced numbers greatly as it is doing in the UK.
Camels and Kangaroos are controlled in some parts of the country where they conflict with farms and communities.

Ah OK! I was wondering about Australia being populated by rabbits and what use would be made of them. (Ignore me - I was speculating.)

It does come from angora rabbits. You didn’t ask about animal welfare or wild rabbits - I thought it was a general question.

Doodledog

Yes, you can knit with rabbit fur. It is angora.

I thought angora came from angora rabbits. I didn't realise wild rabbits could be used. I also thought the conditions in which angora rabbits are kept is considered cruel.

Yes, you can knit with rabbit fur. It is angora.

If only we could make a start getting rid of the obvious animal cruelties. I mean the ones that stare us in the face... but if we can't even do that I think better overall animal welfare is way down the line.

I really thought the chicken issue was going to be moved forward a few weeks ago - but I was wrong.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65691321.amp

Eating meat is lifestyle choice too callistemon, you won’t die without it in our society. We are fortunate to have such choices. I don’t think you can blame vegans for what manufacturers or restaurants put on their labels or menus. They are trying to sell more products. I’ve had to be gluten free for a while and it’s much more difficult / expensive than choosing vegan products , since it costs more to produce. Vegan food is relatively cheap . More people are choosing to be flexible with their eating habits and not insisting on meat at every meal, which is a good thing environmentally.

I think what people don't get is that veganism is a lifestyle choice; if a vegan accidentally ate a piece of cheese they're not going to be violently ill and end up in hospital although they might be upset, understandably.

However, someone with a nut allergy could die or someone with coeliac disease could be very ill and go into anaphylactic shock if they accidentally ate nuts or gluten. We have noticed that many restaurants/pubs seem to be more interested in providing vegan food and labelling menus as vegan now and disregarding other people with dietary problems.

They need to be aware of all.

I never eat pork pies or burgers, vegansrock.

Sorry, I meant vegetarians, M0nica.

In fact, I only know two vegans and they never preach either.
I expect on social media everyone is anonymous so people say things they wouldn't say to friends and relatives.

M0nica

I have never found vegetarians at all preachy. The reasons they have gone vegetarian are so many and various and their attitudes to dairy/eggs etc vary as much as their reasons. It is just a diet choice they have made.

But vegans are the only people who seem to turn their eating habits into a religion and endow it with virtues otherwise connected with the divine, and they do have a tendency to proselytise like Jehovah's Witnesses. Other religions have eating restrictions, but the religion comes first. They do not worship their dietary choices nor think it endows them with any special virtue.

The ones I know (and am related to) aren't at all. Of course, I cook for them quite happily.
It was on here.

I know lots of vegans, never ever been preached at

They didn't even complain when my attempt at a vegan birthday cake to bring to work and share was... I don't know how to describe what that was lol

M0nica

I have never found vegetarians at all preachy. The reasons they have gone vegetarian are so many and various and their attitudes to dairy/eggs etc vary as much as their reasons. It is just a diet choice they have made.

But vegans are the only people who seem to turn their eating habits into a religion and endow it with virtues otherwise connected with the divine, and they do have a tendency to proselytise like Jehovah's Witnesses. Other religions have eating restrictions, but the religion comes first. They do not worship their dietary choices nor think it endows them with any special virtue.

What a very unpleasant post about vegans. Absolute nonsense.

I don’t think of choosing what to eat for dinner akin to a religion and I don’t go around criticising others for their choices . Don’t make sweeping generalisations. some tend to lump all vegans / vegetarians as weirdos with a mental illness /eating disorder who must be less healthy than those who stuff themselves with pork pies and burgers. I get why people eat meat, some of my close family do, they like it and are used to it. However, for many reasons I do think we should encourage people to eat less meat and think more about our environment and the creatures we share it with, . I don’t mean being religious or preachy. Fair play if people wish to defend their eating habits, but that doesn’t mean attacking or insulting those who do not share them. That’s a two way street btw.

I have never found vegetarians at all preachy. The reasons they have gone vegetarian are so many and various and their attitudes to dairy/eggs etc vary as much as their reasons. It is just a diet choice they have made.

But vegans are the only people who seem to turn their eating habits into a religion and endow it with virtues otherwise connected with the divine, and they do have a tendency to proselytise like Jehovah's Witnesses. Other religions have eating restrictions, but the religion comes first. They do not worship their dietary choices nor think it endows them with any special virtue.

GrannyGravy13

Totally agree with your post of 15.36.58 growstuff

I wouldn’t dream of trying to convert a vegetarian or vegan to eat meat, I cater for all dietary requirements when we have guests.

I am fed up with vegans and vegetarians preaching and trying to convert myself and other meat eaters.

I agree GrannyGravy
And growstuff -ditto-

Catering for an assortment of dietary requirements and necessities can be challenging.

We're having fish tonight
I await the brickbats .....